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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by justanotherbody »

morsch wrote: post #33
discreditable wrote: post #16

Look no further than Debian. After switching from Ubuntu I started to understand why people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty.

Ok, but which release channel? And can I convert an Ubuntu into a Debian by reinstalling it while keeping my home directory?

For a long while I ran testing and had zero issues.

Warning: if you're used to PPA life in Ubuntu Debian doesn't offer an equivalent that I'm aware of. EDIT sibling comments indicate home brew might solve this.

The problem with Debian is you can't usually pick "a thing" from another channel, you mostly have to fully commit. Testing is great until it isn't and anecdotally sid/unstable never fixed that for me - I just had to learn to build the occasional package from source

Ultimately I'm a lot happier having gone on that journey but it can feel very arduous the first few times apt doesn't have a recent enough version of something available

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by sdumi »

Void linux. For personal use, I switched to it couple of years ago after I had some weird issues on Ubuntu. Very stable, everything works as expected: the OS is just there in the background, almost unnoticed, as an OS should be.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by fweimer »

jacooper wrote: post #148
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

My main gripe with RHEL based distros is the lack of support for in-place upgrades. I know you shouldn't do it, etc but for small servers that can benefit from newer kernel versions, its annoying. Also dnf-autoupdate doesn't support auto restarts to update the kernel.

Red Hat Enterprise Linux supports in-place upgrades: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp... https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...

Here “supports” means “does not result in itself in a loss of support coverage”. It's been possible to do it in an unsupported fashion before.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by zh3 »

bleuuuu wrote: post #121
loxias wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used exclusively Debian on all my servers and laptops for the last 20ish years. Can confirm, it will continue to keep working, however there might be some things that piss one off in a similar manner as Ubuntu's snaps. I hate systemd for example, but grudgingly accept it.

why the aversion to systemd?

Bugs and complexity is the usual reason. It seems to be a competence thing - experienced admins find it harder to debug and fix systemd issues, while regular users care less about being able to pop the hood and fix things themself.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by hyperpl »

loxias wrote: post #153
bleuuuu wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why the aversion to systemd?

I don't like the design at a fundamental level. It feels brittle, bloated, and not very unixy. I'd rather have my init system be a handful of microscopic executables, using text files or symlinks for configuration and text files for logging. I don't like everything depending on systemd it feels like too much complexity at the wrong part of the stack. It doesn't jive with my sense of architecture, it's not well design…

Do you think we'll get lucky with a systemd replacement similar to how pulseaudio has been deprecated by a much more reasonable implementation Pipewire?

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by eternityforest »

Linux Mint has a good level of insulation from nonsense like Snaps while preserving compatibility.

Fedora seems to be gaining ground, and also all the innovation in Linux is pushed by the Red Hat people, and Fedora gets it way sooner. Although Ubuntu derivatives still seem to be the standard for home users who don't do Arch.

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