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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by JeremyBanks »

sandworm101 wrote: post #428
coeneedell wrote: post #267

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No matter what country you’re in, the military is in a position of authority (except maybe Costa Rica). Generally people consider a lie to be worse if it’s a lie you can use to get power.

Authority isnt the word. Im in the military and that gives me absolutely zero authority in civilian life. It would be a crime for me to even attempt to wield such. But i do expect a modicum of extra respect for people who give up time/money/priviledges of civilian life in order to serve thier country. I dont expect cops to let me get away with speeding, but i do expect them not to detain me by the roadside in uniform…

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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by sandworm101 »

z3c0 wrote: post #436
sandworm101 wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authority isnt the word. Im in the military and that gives me absolutely zero authority in civilian life. It would be a crime for me to even attempt to wield such. But i do expect a modicum of extra respect for people who give up time/money/priviledges of civilian life in order to serve thier country. I dont expect cops to let me get away with speeding, but i do expect them not to detain me by the roadside in uniform…

I agree with you overall, but that "serve their country" line makes me cringe every time. The military's operations are vast and numerous, but also politically-motivated and, at times, disgustingly utilitarian. Obviously, no grunt should bear that burden, but I feel better served by the post office.

It is cringe worthy, but when you get orders for a multi-year posting far away from friends and family, it really does feel like servitude. It was -30 outside this morning. My car hates me for bringing it here.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by z3c0 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #452
z3c0 wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you overall, but that "serve their country" line makes me cringe every time. The military's operations are vast and numerous, but also politically-motivated and, at times, disgustingly utilitarian. Obviously, no grunt should bear that burden, but I feel better served by the post office.

It is cringe worthy, but when you get orders for a multi-year posting far away from friends and family, it really does feel like servitude. It was -30 outside this morning. My car hates me for bringing it here.

Without a doubt, it is servitude, but I feel it downplays the plight of servicemen like yourself to roll it up into that "of country". The expended lives towards obtuse ends is far more tragic than that of something noble like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I wish you luck on your tour, wherever it is.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

yreg wrote: post #3

> [The Secret Service agent] asked my for some picture ID. I have some fake photo ID's that a friend made for me years before, when we could make realistic photo ID's from our computers. Almost nobody else could do this because printers weren't good enough. But I had an expensive early generation dye sublimation printer and made some fake ID's for fun. I had one favorite fake ID that I'd used for almost every airplan…

I had a replica of the Bad Mother F#cker wallet from pulp fiction. One of the TSA people asked to see my id but I think he was so busy staring at my wallet he didn’t actually look at my id when I handed it to him.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by brookst »

techdragon wrote: post #397
njharman wrote: post #390

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It's a Felony to lie to federal agent. Who doesn't know that? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, it's a felony crime to: make a “false statement” to an agent of the > federal government related to a federal matter. ... A “false statement” can be: a material omission. a material misrepresentation, or. using a fraudulent document. Proffering a fake id when asked for a real id is clearly using a fraudulent document.

Yes but it wasn “fake”… it was “entirely made up”. There’s a legitimate difference here that I’m sure lawyers would have a field day with. And I’d imagine the agent would have requested additional Id if they actually cared since it’s a simple enough thing to ask again if they took one look at it and weren’t satisfied.

“One simple trick” wasn’t a thing back in the timeframe of this story. No gold-fringed flags, no sovcits, no “technically I didn’t lie”.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by brookst »

0134340 wrote: post #411
AlecSchueler wrote: post #399

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It wasn't issued by the entity claimed so yes.

It wasn't issued by the Dept of Defiance? I'd say it defiantly was.

So if I go to a bar with an ID from Missisippi, that’s not fake ID because I just made that state up?

Please do not try this kind of thing in real life.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by enedil »

qwytw wrote: post #444
enedil wrote: post #395

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What do you mean? For instance, Poland escaped Soviet block, is almost unilaterally composed of Polish people, and yet look at the chart: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... The countries with lowest crime numbers in EU per capita are (ordered by crime rate increasing): Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Cyprus, Slovenia, Czechia, Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Lithuania, Romania. All of them are soc…

I think focusing exclusively on latest data is problematic. Many post soviet countries had huge amounts of crime in the 90s and early 2000s. Crime rates gradually decreased after they joined the EU until they reached their current levels. The degree of ethnic homogeneity did not increase during that time, if anything it slightly decreased (or significantly in some major cities). One possible explanation is that peopl…

This is disingenuous to say that people emigrated in order to do crime. But you could also find statistics on sexual assaults which also suggest that rape is a lot more prevalent in western europe (and probably, that the rates since the 90s didn't change much on the east).

I would say, that based on my experience on growing in Poland (I was born in 1998), the people become richer and suddenly everybody now seems to be minding own business. So after you fill some economic needs, the will to pick on people decreases. But that will is surely dependent on how much you trust others are think similar (and won't rob you).

Anyway, the parents' commenter point was > near perfect "ethnical cohesion", doesn't stop crime or increase trust in any way

I can't see why should it be true. Perhaps it doesn't stop crime completely, but perhaps it actually increases trust. Based on the argument above we can't know.

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Post by sicp-enjoyer »

hueyluey wrote: post #218
sandworm101 wrote: post #174

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Giving a false ID to law enfordement? That is a crime. Giving a forged ID to the secret service, the people in charge of detecting counterfeiting? That's just idiocy. Misspelling department of defense doesnt make the ID ok any more than printing a tiny lol in the corner of your fake dollar bills. (Also, falsely claiming a relationship with the military is downright dishonerable.)

What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?

Consider the following:

1. Although military people are paid, it's not enough to compensate the amount of time, health risks, and loss of normal rights and freedoms experienced by young people.

2. Are we better off or worse off if people think of service as just a job to pay the bills? I'm not naiive about this, but we want people to take it seriously, not treat it like a retail job at the mall.

3. A small number will ultimately die. I think you would be a foolish leader/government to give those people who died for you anything but respect if you hope for similar sacrifice in the future.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by sicp-enjoyer »

z3c0 wrote: post #453
sandworm101 wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is cringe worthy, but when you get orders for a multi-year posting far away from friends and family, it really does feel like servitude. It was -30 outside this morning. My car hates me for bringing it here.

Without a doubt, it is servitude, but I feel it downplays the plight of servicemen like yourself to roll it up into that "of country". The expended lives towards obtuse ends is far more tragic than that of something noble like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I wish you luck on your tour, wherever it is.

Do you think the soldiers should see themselves as capitalists in it for themselves?
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