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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by timbit42 »

Lucasoato wrote: post #20
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Is there any specific reason to choose them over Linux Mint? I'm genuinely asking, I've never tried Red Hat or Fedora.

I would recommend Linux Mint for desktops and Debian stable for servers.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by EFreethought »

Lucasoato wrote: post #20
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Is there any specific reason to choose them over Linux Mint? I'm genuinely asking, I've never tried Red Hat or Fedora.

One of OP's issues is Ubuntu forcing snaps. I think Mint disables snap by default:

https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.h...

Another Ubuntu derivative that does not use snaps is System76's Pop!_OS

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by exegete »

tmtvl wrote: post #99
kleiba wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP wants to get away from Ubuntu, but Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu. Maybe that would be reason for OP to disprefer Mint?

What about LMDE?

OP mentioned stability and long-term supported as what he’s looking for. The Linux Mint team have stated LMDE is more for themselves to gather info and not a priority. So I would stay away if looking for stability and long-term support.

“We work on LMDE primarily for us, to get that information. It is not a priority, certainly not compared to Linux Mint itself…” https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4276

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by pessimizer »

tmtvl wrote: post #99
kleiba wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP wants to get away from Ubuntu, but Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu. Maybe that would be reason for OP to disprefer Mint?

What about LMDE?

That's barely even a real distribution; it's an escape plan for Mint to leave Ubuntu if necessary. This is not a serious suggestion.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by Sunspark »

cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Fedora should not be recommended anymore for personal desktop use for the simple reason that they removed hardware accelerated video decoding and encoding support. Must all run on the CPU now.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by timbit42 »

js8 wrote: post #71

I also had issues with Ubuntu's snap Firefox. And I am also considering leaving (after almost 20 years). My biggest issue was snaps taking huge amohnt of disk space. My 30GB system partition was running out of space. What I usually do is to move the big stuff to another disk and symlink to it. Moving snap directory this way caused mounting issues, Firefox was unable to download anything. I switched to normal Firefox…

Ubuntu gave up on the desktop user experience when they dropped Unity. Linux Mint has the best desktop user experience now and no Snaps. For servers I would recommend Debian stable.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by exegete »

Lucasoato wrote: post #20
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Is there any specific reason to choose them over Linux Mint? I'm genuinely asking, I've never tried Red Hat or Fedora.

Here’s why not Linux Mint. It’s a few years old so I’m not sure if these issues are solved but I’ve never heard of Debian or Fedora having these issues: https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by disordinary »

I've used Fedora for years as my desktop linux distro on my laptops and CentOS or RHEL for servers.

Fedora is the desktop focussed project which is upstream from the commercial RedHat Enterprise Linux, CentOS is the community distribution of RedHat Enterprise Linux.

This is a great, stable, and feature rich ecosystem that contributes a lot to opensource and upstream back to Linux and has a long track record stretching back more than 20 years.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by hiq »

morsch wrote: post #33
discreditable wrote: post #16

Look no further than Debian. After switching from Ubuntu I started to understand why people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty.

Ok, but which release channel? And can I convert an Ubuntu into a Debian by reinstalling it while keeping my home directory?

I just pin to a specific code name (version) instead of a state (such as testing), e.g. right now I'm using bookworm which happens to be testing, and I'll still be using it for a while once it's been declared stable. If I feel like I'd want to upgrade some packages that are available in the next testing, or I can't install some specific package from unstable because it requires an update for a big library (often libc6), I update to the next testing.

I think it's better to avoid pinning to testing since it gets a lot of updates right after a stable promotion (after the package unfreeze), which you probably don't want.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by timbit42 »

lucideer wrote: post #22

I switched to Debian on servers & was impressed enough (previous experience with Ubuntu & RHEL) that I even went ahead & installed it on desktop. That was a mistake for a few reasons so I quickly switched away* on desktop but it's still my choice on servers, with a few caveats... 1. Snaps are infecting all distros, not just Ubuntu. This affects desktop more than servers, though LetsEncrypt/Certbot are major culprits…

I'd recommend you look at Linux Mint as a desktop replacement for Ubuntu.
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