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Is it a fake id in this sense if it had his real name on?
It wasn't issued by the entity claimed so yes.
It wasn't issued by the Dept of Defiance? I'd say it defiantly was.
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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?
In the US, the military is actually used for combat operations so the risk of being injured or killed is higher than being "a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever". The majority aren't but you're still signing up for it when you join so you are given an amount of elevated respect. It's not something you sign up for willie nillie. You're obligated to serve for at least a tour (4 years I believe) and in those…
> In the US, the military is actually used for combat operations
This is true for most forces. All the US allies working in Iraq/Iran weren’t robots.
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
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> It probably amounted to a real crime. I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? He didn't fake a Department of Defence ID, he created an ID for a fictional Department of Defiance, it may look similar, it may appear as a "real" ID because it's not just a piece of paper, but it's about as real an ID as a gym membership card.
It's a Felony to lie to federal agent. Who doesn't know that? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, it's a felony crime to: make a “false statement” to an agent of the > federal government related to a federal matter. ... A “false statement” can be: a material omission. a material misrepresentation, or. using a fraudulent document. Proffering a fake id when asked for a real id is clearly using a fraudulent document.
I’m wondering if you could argue that you were asked for ‘an ID’, not ‘your US passport or drivers license’.
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
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Nothing says "challenging the status quo" like a multi-millionaire messing with normal people who are just trying to do their job... I'm sure I when I first read this story, I thought it was hilarious. But since then, I've gained at least little bit of empathy. Think of this story from the perspective of the other people. Woz is being a total piece of shit, wasting their time being intentionally as suspicious as poss…
> Woz is being a total piece of shit, wasting their time being intentionally as suspicious as possible, just to waste their time and then pull off a "a-ha You know who's really wasting peoples time? Secret Service and a casino security guard because he tipped with legal tender that they haven't seen before, so they think he's some counterfeiter or something. I'd fuck with authority who was too stupid to realize that…
I mean, it's not just a 2,its a 2 you see him rip out of a book in front of you. If I had taken that at any of my retail jobs my boss would be on my ass, even if I knew it was legit. You think the casino owner really wants security making judgment calls about whether a dudes custom made book of perforated money is legal tender or not?
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
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Isn't it pretty irresponsible to commit a felony while you have a daughter and wife to take care of? I find his nonchalant delivery quite jarring. I don't understand what's going through his head here.
I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…
I think it’s more that we used to believe a secret service agent could take a joke.
Right now you’d have to be worried they draw a gun and shoot you, or arrest you and jail you for life. Zero tolerance!
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
#416Due to this story, if I am teaching basic electronics or how to use a 3d printer to kids, I "pay them for the day's work" with a new $2 bill (which you can get at any bank if you ask and wait a few days). I like them because instead of having some guy on the back they have a pretty painting of the Constitution. I sometimes to have to explain to the parents that yes it's real money.
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?
In the US, the military is actually used for combat operations so the risk of being injured or killed is higher than being "a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever". The majority aren't but you're still signing up for it when you join so you are given an amount of elevated respect. It's not something you sign up for willie nillie. You're obligated to serve for at least a tour (4 years I believe) and in those…
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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…
Agreed, even events like DEFCON and the general infosec scene seem to be leaning more and more towards "conformance". It used to be a badge of shame to be a fed and now I feel uncomfortable talking poorly about the US intelligence community. I hesitate to complain because those who questioned the status quo in the past had the same types of people breathing down their neck. I will simply ignore them and continue doin…
Hell, half the DEFCON goons are .gov employees or contractors now in their day job.
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
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That was before we knew that real people suffer after pulling similar stunts. We all know of someone who did something stupid and has faced a lifetime of consiquence. Nobody dares put a fake bomb in a school locker (Woz did that) or give false documents to police for fun. Such things are no longer jokes. They screw up entire lives. I used to ride fast motorcycles. I know people who ran from the police for fun. Better…
"Such things are no longer jokes. They screw up entire lives." But should they screw up lives? Why should we put up with authorities that can't take a joke. This is the foundation of the culture of defiance that hacking was all about expressing.
> Why should we put up with authorities that can't take a joke.
Probably because the number of instances of people with real bombs has gone up. It’s not a joke any more because the real bomb isn’t the exception.
Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills
#420Lots of timid, humorless folks having trouble imagining not being a sheep and always coloring inside the lines. I for one wish there were more real people around, living life for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Like we were intended to live.
And I, for one, am glad that society as a whole doesn't behave this way. Imagine how obnoxious it would be if every other social interaction was somebody messing with you. Wonderful.
Very little is what it seems. Jordan Peterson makes a convincing argument that dominance hierarchies (having biologically existed longer than sex differentiation) drive significant portions of many interactions even today. So if you think of social interactions in this way, many people may (sort of) "mess with you" in the sense that they are testing your position in some hierarchy.
All of this said, I haven't seen a critical analysis of Peterson's theory, which from what I can tell, does not connect the dots, so to speak, from biological behavior to individual intentions. Still, I think it is fair to say that individual intentions are not required for Peterson's explanation. The human brain does much that is neither conscious nor intentional in the usual senses of the words.
This theory is really interesting to explore and extrapolate. I'll give an example. Let's say someone treats you with a normal level of politeness. You could argue that they are not messing with you, and not challenging your position in any dominance hierarchy. But perhaps this shows they feel confident enough to address you as a peer. Or perhaps they feel like they are in a higher position, and have no need to flaunt it. In any case, your subsequent response will provide a lot of data for the other person.
I think of the number of times that people humble brag. Or the subtle things people do to demonstrate knowledge. The more I think about it, the more I think Peterson's theory is useful in an explanatory sense.
To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with any moral philosophy that suggests such behavior is ideal from an ethical perspective.