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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by scarface74 »

slackfan wrote: post #398
scarface74 wrote: post #389

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I’ve never known federal police to stop and frisk, racial profile, be accused of police brutality or stop someone for “suspiciously” walking through his own neighborhood where the county is only 2.9% Black (my 6 foot 3 step son who grew up in the burbs all of his life), we lived in the most affluent county in the metro area (this was Atlanta metro not saying much in the grand scheme of things) and we had a household…

They absolutely do all of that, if you live within 100 miles of a federal border, and anywhere else they happent to have jurisdiction. Being detained by feds sans warrant is patently unfun, lemme tell you that. I suppose I'm happy for you having the privilege to live such a sheltered life where you don't see any of this.

You mean Customs and Border Protection - another department that is aggrandized by the same people who “Back the Blue”?

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Post by ajuc »

pell wrote: post #264
messe wrote: post #146

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> You can still cross EU borders with just a driving licence, or government issued ID where they have them. For anybody unfamiliar with Europe, I just want to add that there aren't any checkpoints or border crossings, you just drive through or walk over. Half the time you won't even notice you're doing it. You're just supposed to have your ID on your person when you do. Ireland (and previously the UK) is the only maj…

>For anybody unfamiliar with Europe, I just want to add that there aren't any checkpoints or border crossings, you just drive through or walk over. Half the time you won't even notice you're doing it. You're just supposed to have your ID on your person when you do. The above is only true in the Schengen zone. As soon as you cross the border to a non-Schengen country or you arrive from a non-Schengen country you will…

> As soon as you cross the border to a non-Schengen country or you arrive from a non-Schengen country you will go through normal border control (with some exceptions)

Nothing in EU is as simple, therefore it's not only a Schengen/non-Schengen thing. For example a border between North and "regular" Ireland isn't marked in any way, you just cross a brook or a field.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by aflag »

dist1ll wrote: post #36
yreg wrote: post #3

> [The Secret Service agent] asked my for some picture ID. I have some fake photo ID's that a friend made for me years before, when we could make realistic photo ID's from our computers. Almost nobody else could do this because printers weren't good enough. But I had an expensive early generation dye sublimation printer and made some fake ID's for fun. I had one favorite fake ID that I'd used for almost every airplan…

Isn't it pretty irresponsible to commit a felony while you have a daughter and wife to take care of? I find his nonchalant delivery quite jarring. I don't understand what's going through his head here.

I get the daughter, but why does the wife need being taken care of?

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Post by xeromal »

hueyluey wrote: post #218
sandworm101 wrote: post #174

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Giving a false ID to law enfordement? That is a crime. Giving a forged ID to the secret service, the people in charge of detecting counterfeiting? That's just idiocy. Misspelling department of defense doesnt make the ID ok any more than printing a tiny lol in the corner of your fake dollar bills. (Also, falsely claiming a relationship with the military is downright dishonerable.)

What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?

In the US, the military is actually used for combat operations so the risk of being injured or killed is higher than being "a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever". The majority aren't but you're still signing up for it when you join so you are given an amount of elevated respect. It's not something you sign up for willie nillie. You're obligated to serve for at least a tour (4 years I believe) and in those 4 years, you've lost every bit of free-will. It's a sacrifice that I wasn't willing to make so kudos to those who do.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by erosenbe0 »

ModernMech wrote: post #384
JuniorBalleg wrote: post #285

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>Heightened social trust in people of one's own ethnicity isn't a fact of life, it's just racism. It is a fact of life, it's natural and there's a clear evolutionary impetus for it. I would argue that this is how we are wired. Of course we feel more comfortable among our own. You are far more at ease if you walk into a room to be surrounded by people just like you, rather than strangers from the other side of the wor…

I don't find this to be true in my experience. Pretty much any moderately-sized university campus in America is a counterpoint to what you're saying. These communities can be very diverse, and while it's true that you can often find various cliques that split along various demographic lines, members of diverse university communities still live, learn, and work in close proximity. I think implicit in your comment is t…

Correct. It's mostly social and not based on 'looks,' per se. Let's give an example. I'm white as a ghost. But from pre-school age I went over to my Indian neighbor's house to play. I'm fond of the cooking and the accent of Indian-born English speakers is totally normal for me, probably more normal than a Southern accent.

Now if I go to India to do some work I will seek out some other Americans to befriend while there, perhaps naturally looking for people like me. But by this I mean other Americans whether Indian-American or otherwise -- I don't mean whites who literally look like me. Get it?

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by FatActor »

yreg wrote: post #3

> [The Secret Service agent] asked my for some picture ID. I have some fake photo ID's that a friend made for me years before, when we could make realistic photo ID's from our computers. Almost nobody else could do this because printers weren't good enough. But I had an expensive early generation dye sublimation printer and made some fake ID's for fun. I had one favorite fake ID that I'd used for almost every airplan…

Just because he does "tame" things doesn't mean he's not abusing his privilege as an uber-rich white dude. He's a million times better person than Musk, but this is still immature behavior that not everyone could get away with because of what they look like. But hey, he's a hacker god so blank check I guess.

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Post by voxic11 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #383
joshmanders wrote: post #376

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> Woz is being a total piece of shit, wasting their time being intentionally as suspicious as possible, just to waste their time and then pull off a "a-ha You know who's really wasting peoples time? Secret Service and a casino security guard because he tipped with legal tender that they haven't seen before, so they think he's some counterfeiter or something. I'd fuck with authority who was too stupid to realize that…

If you worked someplace handling money and saw a bill with perforated edges, you'd definitely consider it suspicious. That doesn't require someone to be stupid.

If my entire job was enforcing currency counterfeiting laws then I would probably have to be pretty stupid to think that perforated edges is a strong indicator of counterfeiting.

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Post by everforward »

Shraal wrote: post #151
b3orn wrote: post #140

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> It probably amounted to a real crime. I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? He didn't fake a Department of Defence ID, he created an ID for a fictional Department of Defiance, it may look similar, it may appear as a "real" ID because it's not just a piece of paper, but it's about as real an ID as a gym membership card.

I'm also not a lawyer but AFAIK it often boils down to intent. You could argue that he tried to deceive someone with it.

Not a lawyer either, but this doesn't appear to statutorily require intent. This is the relevant law[1].

I think the easiest way to prosecute this would be under the "authentication features" section:

(1) the term “authentication feature” means any hologram, watermark, certification, symbol, code, image, sequence of numbers or letters, or other feature that either individually or in combination with another feature is used by the issuing authority on an identification document, document-making implement, or means of identification to determine if the document is counterfeit, altered, or otherwise falsified

If he had replicated any of those things, he committed a crime just by making the ID. Using the ID likely has additional penalties, but just making it is a felony by itself. It seems likely he did, because I think missing seals and watermarks (if those existed at the time) would stand out as obvious to a secret service agent or the TSA.

1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028

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Post by monocasa »

lr1970 wrote: post #329
sandworm101 wrote: post #174

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Giving a false ID to law enfordement? That is a crime. Giving a forged ID to the secret service, the people in charge of detecting counterfeiting? That's just idiocy. Misspelling department of defense doesnt make the ID ok any more than printing a tiny lol in the corner of your fake dollar bills. (Also, falsely claiming a relationship with the military is downright dishonerable.)

> Giving a forged ID to the secret service, the people in charge of detecting counterfeiting? Well, he was on a thin ice but nevertheless still within bounds of the law. He did not forge or fake the ID, it was a fictitious one like Disney World passport. The ID had his real name on it, no lies there. The $2 bills were legit as well. And mocking federal agent was not a crime.

Presenting a fictitious Disney World passport to law enforcement as a real ID would be just as much as a crime as trying to deposit fake money from a child's playset at the bank. It's the action of trying to deceive that pushes it into criminal territory.

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Post by neoromantique »

xeromal wrote: post #404
hueyluey wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?

In the US, the military is actually used for combat operations so the risk of being injured or killed is higher than being "a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever". The majority aren't but you're still signing up for it when you join so you are given an amount of elevated respect. It's not something you sign up for willie nillie. You're obligated to serve for at least a tour (4 years I believe) and in those…

As almost everywhere in the world.

Enrolling into military is a choice and you know risks beforehand, there’s nothing about that choice that deserves worship-like cult status military has in US.

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