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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by lancepioch »

dghughes wrote: post #316
rcstank wrote: post #261

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In 2023? No. In 198X? You didn’t even need an ID.

I drove alone to the US from Canada for a trip in 1999 no passport (never had and still don't have one). The US Border Agents used my driver's license as proof of my ID. But they were convinced my goal was to go there to live. they tore my car apart, took everything out of luggage. They let me go but thought I was never coming back. All I was doing was going to a Thanksgiving dinner in Scranton.

I think it was about 2008-2009 that Canada started requiring US citizens to have their passport. Before that, they would take most US state ids.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

dghughes wrote: post #316
rcstank wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2023? No. In 198X? You didn’t even need an ID.

I drove alone to the US from Canada for a trip in 1999 no passport (never had and still don't have one). The US Border Agents used my driver's license as proof of my ID. But they were convinced my goal was to go there to live. they tore my car apart, took everything out of luggage. They let me go but thought I was never coming back. All I was doing was going to a Thanksgiving dinner in Scranton.

How do you know what they thought? And if they truly believed that why would they let you through?

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

golemotron wrote: post #325
b3orn wrote: post #140

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> It probably amounted to a real crime. I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? He didn't fake a Department of Defence ID, he created an ID for a fictional Department of Defiance, it may look similar, it may appear as a "real" ID because it's not just a piece of paper, but it's about as real an ID as a gym membership card.

> I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? The US has streamlined this relative to other countries. You don't have to commit a crime, you just irritate a LEO and they find the crime for you.

The US is hardly the country with the most law enforcement corruption. Indeed we are pretty low on the list.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by latchkey »

quesera wrote: post #377
hueyluey wrote: post #218

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What do you mean by "dishonerable" here? Is this an instance of how Americans love the military so much that it's difficult to understand for people from other countries (where being a military isn't different from being a shop owner, or carpenter or doctor or whatever)?

Americans want to believe. Call it "optimism", if you're feeling generous. American exceptionalism is a thing to believe in which satisfies all of the needs of a believer. It's part of the belief triad "god-family-country". The military is an extension of the country. There is very little visible military presence in the US, and the military has no role in civilian affairs except in cases of temporary callup for natu…

> Americans are optimistic people.

My optimism died the second time Bush Jr. was elected, but I'm only 49.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by enedil »

ilyt wrote: post #250
JuniorBalleg wrote: post #134

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When an entire population is far more homogeneous than most modern Western states, the heightened social trust and cohesion permits this kind of harmless fun (among many other benefits). It's one of those sacrifices made to accommodate diversity which is almost impossible to quantify and existentially unsettling to even try.

Clearly you haven't read or been in any post-soviet country, near perfect "ethnical cohesion", doesn't stop crime or increase trust in any way. Frankly that's arrogant and narrow-minded view; homogenous culture might cause less conflicts and problems when the culture itself is one promoting that in the first place

What do you mean? For instance, Poland escaped Soviet block, is almost unilaterally composed of Polish people, and yet look at the chart: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

The countries with lowest crime numbers in EU per capita are (ordered by crime rate increasing): Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Cyprus, Slovenia, Czechia, Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Lithuania, Romania.

All of them are socially pretty homogenous. Most of them escaped Soviet block. Some even escaped Soviet Union. On the other hand, look at the countries from the other side of chart (this time, rate decreasing): Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Germany.

As this data concerns only EU, there is no UK here, but as I remember, it had around 3x crime rate as the Republic of Ireland, which would put it on the tops of the EU list.

Of course, increased diversity might not be the only differentiator between the countries from the top of the list and those from the bottom, but I think it defeats your point (almost as if you were racist for having irrational fears against living in a post-soviet society, which aren't backed by numbers).

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by etothepii »

njharman wrote: post #390
b3orn wrote: post #140

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> It probably amounted to a real crime. I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? He didn't fake a Department of Defence ID, he created an ID for a fictional Department of Defiance, it may look similar, it may appear as a "real" ID because it's not just a piece of paper, but it's about as real an ID as a gym membership card.

It's a Felony to lie to federal agent. Who doesn't know that? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, it's a felony crime to: make a “false statement” to an agent of the > federal government related to a federal matter. ... A “false statement” can be: a material omission. a material misrepresentation, or. using a fraudulent document. Proffering a fake id when asked for a real id is clearly using a fraudulent document.

Is it a fake id in this sense if it had his real name on?

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by techdragon »

njharman wrote: post #390
b3orn wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It probably amounted to a real crime. I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea how criminal law in the USA works, but why would this be a crime? He didn't fake a Department of Defence ID, he created an ID for a fictional Department of Defiance, it may look similar, it may appear as a "real" ID because it's not just a piece of paper, but it's about as real an ID as a gym membership card.

It's a Felony to lie to federal agent. Who doesn't know that? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, it's a felony crime to: make a “false statement” to an agent of the > federal government related to a federal matter. ... A “false statement” can be: a material omission. a material misrepresentation, or. using a fraudulent document. Proffering a fake id when asked for a real id is clearly using a fraudulent document.

Yes but it wasn “fake”… it was “entirely made up”. There’s a legitimate difference here that I’m sure lawyers would have a field day with. And I’d imagine the agent would have requested additional Id if they actually cared since it’s a simple enough thing to ask again if they took one look at it and weren’t satisfied.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by slackfan »

scarface74 wrote: post #389
slackfan wrote: post #378

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Because we get a statement showing what the PD used our tax money for, every single year, vs the endless black hole of the IRS. Also we can fire and disband them if we so wish. For us "Defund the police" is not a toothless meme, it's a reality that we can implement if the police become a nuisance. For instance my town fired the entirety of its' PD a good decade ago. Counterpoint; why do city folk hold their police de…

I’ve never known federal police to stop and frisk, racial profile, be accused of police brutality or stop someone for “suspiciously” walking through his own neighborhood where the county is only 2.9% Black (my 6 foot 3 step son who grew up in the burbs all of his life), we lived in the most affluent county in the metro area (this was Atlanta metro not saying much in the grand scheme of things) and we had a household…

They absolutely do all of that, if you live within 100 miles of a federal border, and anywhere else they happent to have jurisdiction. Being detained by feds sans warrant is patently unfun, lemme tell you that.

I suppose I'm happy for you having the privilege to live such a sheltered life where you don't see any of this.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by AlecSchueler »

etothepii wrote: post #396
njharman wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a Felony to lie to federal agent. Who doesn't know that? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, it's a felony crime to: make a “false statement” to an agent of the > federal government related to a federal matter. ... A “false statement” can be: a material omission. a material misrepresentation, or. using a fraudulent document. Proffering a fake id when asked for a real id is clearly using a fraudulent document.

Is it a fake id in this sense if it had his real name on?

It wasn't issued by the entity claimed so yes.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Post by erosenbe0 »

JuniorBalleg wrote: post #285
kfajdsl wrote: post #239

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Maybe this struck a nerve because I'm an American born-and-raised PoC, but frankly I believe this is a bad opinion that is often pushed by racists (even if the idea itself isn't necessarily inherently racist). Heightened social trust in people of one's own ethnicity isn't a fact of life, it's just racism. It's what causes PoC to be profiled by law enforcement, on average have worse outcomes for the same crimes in the…

>Heightened social trust in people of one's own ethnicity isn't a fact of life, it's just racism. It is a fact of life, it's natural and there's a clear evolutionary impetus for it. I would argue that this is how we are wired. Of course we feel more comfortable among our own. You are far more at ease if you walk into a room to be surrounded by people just like you, rather than strangers from the other side of the wor…

You are only confirming that nominally, ethnicity and race are not important.

For example, a white American of Slavic descent is more comfortable in a room of non-white Americans who also smell of Budweiser than they would be in a room of Russians in Russia speaking Russian and smelling of vodka. Get it?

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