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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Related US Mint page for $2 bill sheets: https://catalog.usmint.gov/paper-currency/uncut-currency/?&p... Basically he tells story in a way that average person assume he’s printing fake bills, when in reality he’s just cutting and binding sets of uncut bills into a notepad. Lying to a federal investigator though is a federal crime and one that’s frequently resulted in prison sentences. Worth noting that Jobs & Woz fir…

I’m willing to bet HN bought out the $2 sheets because of this.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…

Nothing says "challenging the status quo" like a multi-millionaire messing with normal people who are just trying to do their job... I'm sure I when I first read this story, I thought it was hilarious. But since then, I've gained at least little bit of empathy. Think of this story from the perspective of the other people. Woz is being a total piece of shit, wasting their time being intentionally as suspicious as poss…

> normal people who are just trying to do their job…

When it's the Secret Service, that's not "normal people", and their job is to figuratively or literally stomp anyone who doesn't sufficiently respect the immensely powerful people they insulate. Portraying them as regular Joe victim here is nonsense.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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It was the mid 80's, well before 9-11. Airport security was far more lax. Everything was far more lax. There was no way to easily verify ID anyway.

Exactly this. As late as the 2001 I could cross into the US from Canada with as little as my birth certificate, which I often did. That was just a cotton blended paper with tattered edges with some writing, and the crest of my province printed on it. There wasn’t even a photo on it! It was closer to writing, ‘I’m daniel plz let me in’ on a napkin, than it is to my passport of today with its photo, barcode, and RFID c…

Funny enough I went to Canada for a quick trip in with my (non-real ID) driver's license and birth certificate, stayed a couple extra days, and arrived back at the border just hours before the switchover to requiring a passport/real ID went into effect.

I wonder what would have happened?

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Stating obvious, ultimately all individuals are responsible for their respective interpretations of the law and even judges error in their interpretations. That said, in my opinion, if an individual intentionally provides false statements or produces false documents to a federal investigator, that doing so is always a crime regardless of if it’s done to evade an investigation, material to a given investigation, etc —…

But "document" contained his true name and picture

Woz per his own statements said he had to them provide his drivers ID and passport. No idea why you’re taking his account of the story as anything more than yet another lie - which is the point, he knew providing a fictional ID was an intentional misrepresentation of the truth, which I turn calls into questions any additional information he provides, which in turn makes it material to the investigation.

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> And if they had apprehended Woz he would probably had a lawyer to bail him out and smooth things over. One can have a good lawyer but that lawyer cannot change the facts of the case.

So? Law is about men's rea and judge-ment, not mere facts.

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But you wouldn't board an international flight with your gym membership card.

In 2023? No. In 198X? You didn’t even need an ID.

I drove alone to the US from Canada for a trip in 1999 no passport (never had and still don't have one). The US Border Agents used my driver's license as proof of my ID.

But they were convinced my goal was to go there to live. they tore my car apart, took everything out of luggage. They let me go but thought I was never coming back.

All I was doing was going to a Thanksgiving dinner in Scranton.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Isn't it pretty irresponsible to commit a felony while you have a daughter and wife to take care of? I find his nonchalant delivery quite jarring. I don't understand what's going through his head here.

I can’t help but shake my head at most of these comments. There was a time when we celebrated anecdotes like this here on Hacker News. I’ve seen this story circulated many times but this is the first time I’ve seen this sort of reaction. These aren’t rose colored glasses, anyone can look up threads of old in which we cheered such defiance toward authority. People are frothing to frame this story with 2023 glasses and…

Agreed, even events like DEFCON and the general infosec scene seem to be leaning more and more towards "conformance". It used to be a badge of shame to be a fed and now I feel uncomfortable talking poorly about the US intelligence community. I hesitate to complain because those who questioned the status quo in the past had the same types of people breathing down their neck. I will simply ignore them and continue doing my own thing

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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I'm also not a lawyer but AFAIK it often boils down to intent. You could argue that he tried to deceive someone with it.

I don't even think it's arguable. He intended to deceive a Secret Service officer with fake federal government credentials, and apparently succeeded in doing so. I believe that is a felony. The judge may reduce the charge or throw it out later though because of the obvious wackiness of it.

He’s Woz. A household name. I suspect the secret service agent also noticed it being a fake ID but didn’t want to deal with the litany of paperwork in arresting woz for the crime. Maybe the agent also got a chuckle out of it as well.

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One of the greatest flaws of modern society is how we systematically beat this natural childlike enthusiasm for bending the rules out of people. I'm just old enough to remember when 'it was just a joke' was a legitimate excuse that could get you out of trouble. If the joke was funny and didn't hurt anyone you might get a slap not he wrist but people of all ages appreciated your effort to make the world a less grim place.

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How do you know the age?

There's a date in the filename. That said, I think it may be misdated, as I think the image is from closer to 2007/8, as I think I shot it on a 40D which only came out in Aug 2007. I've gone through 3 or 4 generations of photo library management software since then and the metadata may have gotten mangled.

You can tell the age from the $1 bill itself. It looks like it was printed in 2006 and has the signature of Hank Paulson, Secretary of the Treasury from 2006-2009. You can compare it to his signature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paulson#/media/File:Henr...
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