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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#761
underlying all these problems is the quite simple kernel: we lost our religion. you see, religion long served as the reference point for morality. you had to be a good person in this life lest you spend eternity in punishment and torture. many weak nations throughout history have endured terrible rulers (and often converted them) by their staunch adherence to their religion. the roman empire becoming christian is one such example.

unfortunately, religion reached beyond its domain (of the metaphysical) and attempted to explain all human knowledge in terms of revelation and the so-called holy books. thus, when a new method of discovering new knowledge via observation began its triumphant march towards explaining and predicting natural phenomena, religion was found wanting. it suffered the double blow of losing authority in the physical realm as well as the metaphysical. and since then, imo, we have struggled to stand morality, and more importantly, your responsibility to be a good person, on any firm grounds. biology (and evolution), which likens us to animals, seems to throw a wrench in any effort: we’re animals anyways, we’re within our nature to be animalistic.

at present, we live without universal morality. we have substituted what it means to enjoy your life with another measure that renders it a given that the person living in the future most definitely lived better than who lived a millennia or two away. below, that’s the sort of counter-arguments/counter-observations you see. it’s unfortunate. we’re living in a mess. adults are twerking on innocent kids again (after an intermission than banned child sex, child marriage, betrothals, polygamy, &c). the reversal to banality is markedly celebrated as freedom and progress. but is it really?

so someone will point you to the article that demonstrates scientific progress. don’t let them dissuade you. what you’re concerned about is moral depravity. essentially how onlyfans isn’t despicable but celebrated. from here, at our current velocity and acceleration, it only gets worse. brace yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#763

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some pretty clear indications that the derivative of civilization is strongly negative at the moment, particularly if you live in Europe. Actually, the fact that people are supposed to pretend things are OK, while everyone over there is possibly a few steps away from being drafted into war, is another sign that things have headed in the wrong direction in exactly the manner OP is suggesting.

> everyone over there is possibly a few steps away from being drafted into war Why do you think so? Might be different in Eastern Europe, but as a Central European I think it’s quite unlikely that a direct conflict is going to happen.

There already is a direct conflict. Wake up and get your head out of the sand.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#764
post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m always a little stunned when this (and many sibling comments) is almost always the first response to something like this. It’s probably generally true, and an appropriate response to the most dire decline narratives or things easily disproven by stats . . . But like also: really? None of this resonates with you on a personal level? If yes are you that distrustful of your own anecdata? If no: I hypothesize that yo…

> None of this resonates with you on a personal level? Not really, no. Don't get me wrong, 5 years ago I was in the UK, I moved to Berlin towards the end of 2018. Visiting the UK again last December… it felt very broken. But it was the same kind of broken that I saw in Portsmouth when I was a child. And Berlin still feels as good as it did on my first visit. Landlords being greedy? Sure. That's one of the things Marx…

“ Everything is poison? I grew up with acid rain (solved), a hole in the ozone layer (getting better), indoor public smoking (banned in the UK, doesn't seem to be here in Berlin), asbestos (banned), and leaded petrol (banned).”

But now you have to worry about plastics in your food, leaching of chemicals from batteries that power new technology, depression and suicide, resulting from social media (especially amongst young children and teens), loss of privacy due to technological devices, dangerous side effects from new drugs that are pushed and marketed onto the public, dangerous chemicals and metals found in modern vaping devices, reduced quality of life due to income stagnation and exorbitant real estate prices, etc

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#765
I will address only one of your complaints:

>General worker apathy is endemic ... the gym is filthy, the cleaner just drags the mop around looking busy but accomplishing nothing. But in many instances they keep asking for more tips.

I have held many jobs in my life. I learned to clean the kitchen and cook as a child and later to sweep, mop, rake, etc. once I was big enough to do so effectively. I learned to take orders and to work with others on a task.

Every time I see "the cleaner just drag[s] the mop around looking busy but accomplishing nothing" I offer to show them how to mop. They always allow me to do so! [I can hear the Tom Sawyer jokes now!] The root problem is that they don't know how to mop!

I explain that I once did lots of sweeping, mopping(grocery stores et al), cleaning and that there is a method to all of it. I take them through the procedure:

- wetting/drying the mop,

- when to change the water/soap,

- drying(squeeze) the mop,

- patterns to use in mopping, etc.

In all of that I emphasize safety for themselves and warn of accidents I've seen/caused while mopping.

Employees really don't know this. I know it only b/c I was explicitly taught (in pieces over my earlier life) or experienced it.

The root problem is that some facilities have no one who knows how to do basic tasks such as cleaning. It is assumed that such knowledge is acquired by magical cognitive osmosis in the past. Often an employee is shown a mess, a mop bucket (complete with dirty water from the last use) and told to "clean it up!".

It helps to be humble: I'm not the boss, I'm not ordering them to follow a procedure and I'm not correcting them. I show and tell them what I once did and how I was taught and that I was once "in their shoes" and did the same task. I am no better a person than they are and it is always a worthwhile and good thing to work safely, to do a good job and that their work is valued.

FWIW mopping accidents are wildly varied from slippages and falls to mixing the wrong mopping ingredients [entire store cleared out due to HCL acid gas - don't mix cleaning fluids]:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mixing+wrong+cleaning+fluids&t=ope...

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#766

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>Go to a store, like Walmart or Target, fill up a basket with some goods, and then not pay for it. People do this all the time and get away with it. Home Depots have famously been ripped off by people filling carts with power tools and walking out with staff barely batting an eye.

yes, but this does not prove crime is worse or lawlessness. Shoplifting is as old as stores. The small but definite risk of being arrested is the deterrent.

>but this does not prove crime is worse or lawlessness.

I didn't make that claim. You said "See how well it works" and my response was essentially that not only would it work but it is common.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#767
post #764
post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> None of this resonates with you on a personal level? Not really, no. Don't get me wrong, 5 years ago I was in the UK, I moved to Berlin towards the end of 2018. Visiting the UK again last December… it felt very broken. But it was the same kind of broken that I saw in Portsmouth when I was a child. And Berlin still feels as good as it did on my first visit. Landlords being greedy? Sure. That's one of the things Marx…

“ Everything is poison? I grew up with acid rain (solved), a hole in the ozone layer (getting better), indoor public smoking (banned in the UK, doesn't seem to be here in Berlin), asbestos (banned), and leaded petrol (banned).” But now you have to worry about plastics in your food, leaching of chemicals from batteries that power new technology, depression and suicide, resulting from social media (especially amongst y…

Grew up vegetarian because my mum was worried about mad cow disease. The batteries were also toxic when I was a kid. So were more of the lightbulbs. Suicide rate is significantly lower in the UK today then when I was born.

Loss of privacy concerns me. Most people seem happy to over-share, presumably because the thing also allows more connections with more niche interests than most people can name.

Dangerous side effects of drugs? I remember seeing thalidomide victims in my local mall. We're a lot more cautious these days because of things like that.

Vaping is an odd thing to have a moral panic about, as the alternative for many people is to set fire to a tube of things known to produce carcinogenic smoke, and stick it in their mouth.

Stagnant quality of life is by definition not getting worse.

Exorbitant real estate prices are the only thing where I agree with you they're a genuine concern for the average Millennial and post-Millennial.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#768

Little things I've noticed decay in my 40 plus years. I noticed credit card machines fail a lot more. Like 5 or 10 years ago credit card machines very rarely failed. Like you didn't even think about it. Now it's like a 25% chance the credit card machine I'm using will not work properly. This is not a new technology. No one lets you in in traffic anymore. you used to be able to put your blinker on and people would wav…

Additional decay I've noticed.

Airlines have become horrible!

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#769

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not a fixed amount of goods in the world. Middle class people today are far wealthier than they were 100 years ago.

There’s a fixed amount of real estate however. Rent and housing prices have doubled over the past few years in my market of interest. the wealthy have been buying up second and third homes, landlords have been outsourcing collusion to black box ML models, mega-investors have been gobbling up land, housing starts have been trending down while the population has been growing. I can't sleep on in a macbook.

I always hated the arguments you're replying to. As if owning electronics, gadgets, or other plastic trinkets is akin to living a life where you don't have to constantly worry about housing, healthcare, retirement, or education and every little thing that can cause your path to come crashing down (getting in a car crash could potentially mean losing your job, losing your job equating to losing health insurance, etc).

I just have to assume people espousing things are divorced from reality, because how else can you equate a poor person owning a microwave to societal success?

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#770
Automation is playing a part here. "Software is eating the world", which means that many interactions are now based on software - that is buggy.

The level of customer service in any e-commerce website today would be innacceptable in even the shitiest of brick-and-mortar store.

Try buying shoes without getting the wrong size of the wrong model delivered to your neighboor's former address.

Try booking a plane with using your real first name if you daaaaare having a dash in it.

Try getting a refund for _anything_, canceling a subscription to _anything_, basically doing _anything_ that commits the now cardinal sin of "reducing someone's A.R.R.)

Try getting billed for just the amount of electricity / gas / water you consumed in the previous month, as opposed to some estimation based on what the prince of Nigeria would use if he was not in exile.

Try answering a phone and having it be someone you really want to receive phone calls from, as opposed to someone trying to sell you something else.

"Capitalism theory" has it that bad actors should get replaced by better competition - however we have (inevitably) stumbled into a "local extremum" where _everything_ is crappy, but people just get on with it. So there is really no incentive into making anything work, except maybe for some luxury items - though, I suspect those are getting shitty and full of buggy software, too.

On the other end, we still have relative peace for at least of couple months.

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