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Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by branon »

mckirk wrote: post #47
_dan wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:z0qv4i... Google's cache, for anyone else having trouble with archive.org.

Well, now that link is dead as well apparently, so I'm starting to believe there is indeed some info here that wasn't supposed to be public (yet).

webcache.googleusercontent.com still loads for me. (edit: and web.archive.org loads again now too)

Interesting, the NH-P1 has been out for a while and other comments suggest it's not the 7700X, could it be the ASRock motherboard mentioned? Also no, because there are two links to reviews of it present in the article body.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by anthonyryan1 »

I feel compelled to mention that this space has existed as a niche community for many years now.

I've personally been using a NoFan CR-80EH in my workstations for over 10 years. I think it's subjectively the most beautiful heatsink I've ever seen.

You do need to plan your build to accomodate such a cooler though. - Open Air case to allow free movement of air in and out of your case - 65W TDP CPU

While a lot of people feel like 65 watt TDP is limiting, there are some impressive chips you can use under that threshold that don't feel like a compromise. Eg the Ryzen 9 7900 (not-X).

And if the rest of your office is quiet, eliminating ambient background noise is a delightful improvement.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by Scene_Cast2 »

wincy wrote: post #17
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #5

Is there a good aggregation of cooler performance somewhere? I've recently completed a build for the first time in a decade and was pleasantly surprised by tools like PC Part Picker, the assembly was a breeze (many micro improvements by everyone), and everything 'just worked'. Literally the only question I was out cold for was which cooler is good enough? With some coolers rivaling RAM costs and cases having fixings…

The ice giant thermosiphon seems to be the state of the art right now from what I’ve seen. To the point where that’s being used by the world’s top overclocker instead of water cooling loops. If I were building a system I’d just slap one of those in, buy some Noctuas for quieter fan operation and ignore it, and let the CPU turbo to its hearts content. Edit: link https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

The issue is that heatsinks for quiet operation are better off with larger gaps between fins (smaller number of fins per inch, FPI), and Thermal Siphon goes the other way for best operation with powerful, loud fans.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by jmyeet »

Calling this fanless is one of those things that is technically correct but not really accurate. Instead of the HSF having a fan directly on it, you're simply relying on the case's cooling to dissipate heat. Fans usually allow you to put larger fans on and larger fans means more airflow and quieter operation.

You can design the entire system to be passively cooled but this will limit the potential power. This might be fine. Having a high-end GPU means this is almost impossible. For anyone wanting such a system, you'll want to go with an AIO HSF and intake and outtake fans on the case.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

pohuing wrote: post #44
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is almost completely useless for reviews. You can't scroll the video, meaning you have to watch almost all of it to realize they're actually not evaluating the metrics you are interested in. One would think a video would make it harder for a reviewer to just parrot official PR, but alas... The only time I ever find a YouTube review of interest is when e.g you are actually showing some physical characteristic…

Have you actually looked at the GN reviews or are you just assuming this... I agree that text would be nicer to have but man. Also there's chapters now at least, so if you don't care about the analysis you can just jump to the numbers.

> so if you don't care about the analysis you can just jump to the numbers.

I really disagree. See for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtVowYykviM . Does he measure idle power consumption ? It's impossible to tell from the chapter names. (Spoiler: he doesn't). Also whether he compares the performance of the 7900 sans X with the 7900X at similar power levels (Spoiler: he does, albeit only for 7950X and a minority of the benchmarks.) This is a video which is supposed to be about power efficiency, so it catches my attention; but most of it is about runtime benchmarks with only a couple power/efficiency comparisons early on. And after watching the full video, I cannot think of anything about the visuals that helped made his point clearer. A simple plain page with a couple of tables would have been at least as much helpful, or even more helpful, since it would have been searchable. If you disagree, can you elaborate what did you feel the video/audio provided over a static HTML page ?

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

rom-antics wrote: post #45
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is almost completely useless for reviews. You can't scroll the video, meaning you have to watch almost all of it to realize they're actually not evaluating the metrics you are interested in. One would think a video would make it harder for a reviewer to just parrot official PR, but alas... The only time I ever find a YouTube review of interest is when e.g you are actually showing some physical characteristic…

If youtube is not your thing, they also post results on their site. Here's their most recent review: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3635-fractal-meshify-2... Look at that set of tests for a case . What more could you want?

The most recent review is from more than 2 years ago ?

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by bjoli »

anthonyryan1 wrote: post #52

I feel compelled to mention that this space has existed as a niche community for many years now. I've personally been using a NoFan CR-80EH in my workstations for over 10 years. I think it's subjectively the most beautiful heatsink I've ever seen. You do need to plan your build to accomodate such a cooler though. - Open Air case to allow free movement of air in and out of your case - 65W TDP CPU While a lot of people…

I always wanted to do such a project and decided to go for it. I ended up hating it because it made me realize how much I hate coil whine. I mean: it looks so friggin cool, and placing it on your desk will probably give much better air circulation than under it. No fans spinning just made me realize how much noise most computers make that is hidden under fan noise.

I did have dedicated graphics card though, but a passively cooled one. None of my friends found it bothersome, so maybe I'm just sensitive.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by cout »

anthonyryan1 wrote: post #52

I feel compelled to mention that this space has existed as a niche community for many years now. I've personally been using a NoFan CR-80EH in my workstations for over 10 years. I think it's subjectively the most beautiful heatsink I've ever seen. You do need to plan your build to accomodate such a cooler though. - Open Air case to allow free movement of air in and out of your case - 65W TDP CPU While a lot of people…

I do like that design -- it reminds me of the Zalman Flower, which I also find beautiful.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by def_true_false »

politelemon wrote: post #9

This does look interesting, PC building has improved by bounds and bounds in recent times, giving me better performance and longevity for my money. This fanless design is worth a consideration, the current go-to for people who want silence is AIO liquid coolers. They aren't terrible but do affect radiator placement. If this NH P1 can be prove viable for gaming setups it might take off. > Nonetheless, I strapped on No…

AIOs are far from silent.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by robga »

drtgh wrote: post #35
wincy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ice giant thermosiphon seems to be the state of the art right now from what I’ve seen. To the point where that’s being used by the world’s top overclocker instead of water cooling loops. If I were building a system I’d just slap one of those in, buy some Noctuas for quieter fan operation and ignore it, and let the CPU turbo to its hearts content. Edit: link https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

I didn't know about them, so I've checked, IceGiant ProSiphon Elite vs Noctua NH-D15, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0OQxbMvo80 At min 26:30 it's shown test results, and the performance seems better with Noctua NH-D15. Less noise (less rpm) for the same temperature dissipation. Noctua's performance with low noise is among the main reasons why I own one since several years ago ( And also why I choose air-cooling ove…

The IceGiant ProSiphon has fittings for 4 x 120mm pwm fans. Fitted on my ThreadRipper, I switched the stock IceGiant fans out for Be Quiet Silent Wings. A significant extra cost to be sure. I'm sure some Noctua fans would fit. Best of both worlds.

Any judgment on thermosiphon technology (where noise is largely not a factor) should not be conflated with a judgment on the quality of attached fans. Sold together as a product, though, I suppose it remains relevant.

Remember to compare any noise savings against the total noise. e.g. I have 8 other fans in the box. If memory serves when I built it, tech websites were reporting that the temperature under load with an IceGiant was lower.

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