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Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

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Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

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Facebook app installed on GrapheneOS... talk about an intense yin/yang.

What's wrong? GrapheneOS is the perfect tool for that. They are installed into a work profile. Created specifically for all the untrusted shit around. Moreover, the networking in that profile is routed through a VPN.

That makes perfect sense, sandboxing and isolation features were created to be able to run applications you don't want to trust.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

#92
I had the facebook app on my phone 10 or so years ago (maybe less). At first, everything was fine. Then after a while, my phone's performance ground to a halt. Eventually, I figured out it was the FB app and uninstalled it, and my phone was like new again. I buy budget level phones, so I was able to notice the performance impact, whereas a higher-end phone might not have.

I mostly used the app for uploading pictures. Once I stopped using the app, FB started making the mobile site push you into using the app. That's around the time I stopped uploading pictures to facebook.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

#93

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> In the end I've also restricted Telegram and now my battery lasts for 17 hours. Do notifications for messages still work in restricted mode (sorry if silly question) ?

Yes. But there may be delays and sometimes when you tap on a notification nothing happens.

Yes? I just thought if I restrict it, there will be no notification until I open the app.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

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What I can't believe: Facebook shipped a feature to drain users' batteries. What I can believe: Engineers at Facebook were micromanaged into dismissing issues such as users' batteries being drained.

Yeah, the boss didn't care about user's battery. From the article: I said to the manager, 'This can harm somebody,' and she said by harming a few we can help the greater masses. Any data scientist worth his or her salt will know, Don’t hurt people,

> and she said by harming a few we can help the greater masses.

This is an AdTech business. They’re not curing cancer. How far up your own ass do you have to be to say that?

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

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Anecdata: I pretty much never go on Facebook anymore and now my phone battery comfortably lasts all day. The current worst app on my phone is Duolingo, it guzzles 15% in about 15 mins and makes the phone noticeably hot. The most impressive app is Apple Music which feels like it should use a lot of battery but doesn’t.

Why would a music app use a lot of battery? Apple has been optimizing its hardware for over 20 years to play media efficiently.

I bought the first iPad, and one road trip I drove a couple of hours playing music (whether via wired output or from its speakers I don't recall).

I was pleasantly surprised to discover on arrival that I still had 100% battery life.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

#96
Not that I disbelieve the allegations, but the battery tracker on my phone consistently tells me that the largest consumer is Chrome, with Facebook Messenger somewhere way, way down the list.

If they are bumping up battery consumption, either I've never been in the test group or they aren't bumping it enough to be a real risk.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

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Hard to say from the article but I think the accusation is not that Facebook is deliberately running down batteries (why?) but that they are deliberately running tests in the background which run down batteries, eg. surreptitiously having a user's app run unnecessary image compression or decompression.

Whatever the ethics of this, the intention seems to be to learn what drains batteries less.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

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Yeah, the boss didn't care about user's battery. From the article: I said to the manager, 'This can harm somebody,' and she said by harming a few we can help the greater masses. Any data scientist worth his or her salt will know, Don’t hurt people,

> and she said by harming a few we can help the greater masses. This is an AdTech business. They’re not curing cancer. How far up your own ass do you have to be to say that?

Facebook has great utility for billions of users. E.g. keeping in touch with family, friends, relatives, exchanging knowledge in Facebook groups etc. Of course it also has downsides. But I don’t believe it’s reasonable to dismiss the upsides of Facebook.

PS. This does not excuse shitty behaviour of course.

Re: Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally says ex-employee

#99

This article is very hard to follow! I get that there was a lawsuit and the ex employee said that they what they were doing might harm people. But what were they actually doing? Draining the battery on purpose for some reason? Or was it just an unfortunate side effect of something?

>But what were they actually doing?

I'm assuming the opposite of battery optimizations. Some developers prefer functionality over battery life: https://dontkillmyapp.com/

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