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Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by yread »

emn13 wrote: post #8
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #5

Is there a good aggregation of cooler performance somewhere? I've recently completed a build for the first time in a decade and was pleasantly surprised by tools like PC Part Picker, the assembly was a breeze (many micro improvements by everyone), and everything 'just worked'. Literally the only question I was out cold for was which cooler is good enough? With some coolers rivaling RAM costs and cases having fixings…

Yeah, the ad-funded model and how that supports reviewers seems to have damaged well structured and comprehensive independent review sites. It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays, and that makes it hard to draw conclusions without significant effort - and even then, considerable risk of drawing the wrong conclusions. I think this affects far more than just coolers; it's simply that for categories that…

notebookcheck.net has good written reviews (only the final percentage score is sometimes weird).They do occasionally review desktop hardware too

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by topspin »

Trellmor wrote: post #13
neilv wrote: post #10

This cooler itself doesn't have a fan, but it looks like the test system has at least 4 large case fans, including 2 directly inline with the cooler. And sounds from the text like the fans were spinning. I love Noctua, but a totally fanless system would be a more interesting test.

Gamers Nexus have a video testing the NH-P1 fanless[0]. Without fans it wont handle as much and you are probably limited to about 65W TDP CPUs. As a matter of fact, Noctua has a compatibility guide where they list the expected performance w/ and w/o a fan[1]. [0] https://youtu.be/N8EjMwS2ut0 [1] https://ncc.noctua.at/coolers/NH-P1-68/cpu/all/AM4

> Noctua has a compatibility guide where they list

Of course they do. Noctua is an excellent company. Hard to imagine how they might improve. And some credit to PC builders is deserved as well; they've supported this company and its products and paid the requisite price for years, despite a literal horde of cheaper competition.

I appreciate how little regard they have for the RGB blinkenlights crowd.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by Ygg2 »

neilv wrote: post #10

This cooler itself doesn't have a fan, but it looks like the test system has at least 4 large case fans, including 2 directly inline with the cooler. And sounds from the text like the fans were spinning. I love Noctua, but a totally fanless system would be a more interesting test.

That's fine I can stick a bit more case fans to avoid a huge CPU case fan.

It be perfect for my DIY home NAS build.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by robga »

wincy wrote: post #17
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #5

Is there a good aggregation of cooler performance somewhere? I've recently completed a build for the first time in a decade and was pleasantly surprised by tools like PC Part Picker, the assembly was a breeze (many micro improvements by everyone), and everything 'just worked'. Literally the only question I was out cold for was which cooler is good enough? With some coolers rivaling RAM costs and cases having fixings…

The ice giant thermosiphon seems to be the state of the art right now from what I’ve seen. To the point where that’s being used by the world’s top overclocker instead of water cooling loops. If I were building a system I’d just slap one of those in, buy some Noctuas for quieter fan operation and ignore it, and let the CPU turbo to its hearts content. Edit: link https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

On my 32 core ThreadRipper I’ve been running an Ice Giant since it came out. It’s excellent. The only gotcha is to ensure your case can fit it in.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by oblak »

robga wrote: post #24
wincy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ice giant thermosiphon seems to be the state of the art right now from what I’ve seen. To the point where that’s being used by the world’s top overclocker instead of water cooling loops. If I were building a system I’d just slap one of those in, buy some Noctuas for quieter fan operation and ignore it, and let the CPU turbo to its hearts content. Edit: link https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

On my 32 core ThreadRipper I’ve been running an Ice Giant since it came out. It’s excellent. The only gotcha is to ensure your case can fit it in.

How big is this thing next to something like NH-D15?

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by oblak »

newsclues wrote: post #19
mrlucax wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gamer Nexus reviews are independent and extremely methodical and honest. It's by far the best PC components reviewer on YouTube right now.

“It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays,” GN doesn’t really update their website with written reviews.

https://techpowerup.com is still alive.

I can think of a few others, including an offshoot of [H] called thefpsreviews.com but I've seen a lot of crappy, low effort "reviews" just in time for the "video cards are finally cheap" manufactured craze last year, which was last straw for me.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

yread wrote: post #21
emn13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the ad-funded model and how that supports reviewers seems to have damaged well structured and comprehensive independent review sites. It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays, and that makes it hard to draw conclusions without significant effort - and even then, considerable risk of drawing the wrong conclusions. I think this affects far more than just coolers; it's simply that for categories that…

notebookcheck.net has good written reviews (only the final percentage score is sometimes weird).They do occasionally review desktop hardware too

They are for me the only page remaining who still do decent, methodical reviews on metrics that I find of interest.

For example, idle power consumption.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

oblak wrote: post #26
newsclues wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays,” GN doesn’t really update their website with written reviews.

https://techpowerup.com is still alive. I can think of a few others, including an offshoot of [H] called thefpsreviews.com but I've seen a lot of crappy, low effort "reviews" just in time for the "video cards are finally cheap" manufactured craze last year, which was last straw for me.

They have degraded significantly over the last few years. Up to around 2015 it was about my #1 reference source. It's how I found out about the fact many GPUs used to triple or quadruple their power consumption just because of an extra monitor being connected, and that AMD's HBM-based GPUs were at that point a surprising exception (when otherwise AMDs GPUs are usually the worst at it). These days however I have to take everything they measure with a grain of salt, and at some point I even had a discussion with a member of staff on the merits of having idle power consumption measurements at all. Something has definitely changed on their side.

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

mrlucax wrote: post #16
emn13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the ad-funded model and how that supports reviewers seems to have damaged well structured and comprehensive independent review sites. It's all in videos or really low-effort stuff nowadays, and that makes it hard to draw conclusions without significant effort - and even then, considerable risk of drawing the wrong conclusions. I think this affects far more than just coolers; it's simply that for categories that…

The Gamer Nexus reviews are independent and extremely methodical and honest. It's by far the best PC components reviewer on YouTube right now.

YouTube is almost completely useless for reviews. You can't scroll the video, meaning you have to watch almost all of it to realize they're actually not evaluating the metrics you are interested in. One would think a video would make it harder for a reviewer to just parrot official PR, but alas...

The only time I ever find a YouTube review of interest is when e.g you are actually showing some physical characteristic of the product, which is almost never the case for PC components, but maybe the case in some portable devices (tablet PCs come to mind). Notice that on these types of physical aspect reviews the reviewer himself doesn't appear at all on the video. In most PC components "video reviews" you are simply staring at the face of the reviewer. They could literally do without the video at all (save for a couple of still images where tables are presented) and would still be as informative, if not more. Some could even do without the audio...

Re: Testing Noctua’s NH-P1 with Ryzen 7700x and Intel’s i9-13900K

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Post by oblak »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #28
oblak wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://techpowerup.com is still alive. I can think of a few others, including an offshoot of [H] called thefpsreviews.com but I've seen a lot of crappy, low effort "reviews" just in time for the "video cards are finally cheap" manufactured craze last year, which was last straw for me.

They have degraded significantly over the last few years. Up to around 2015 it was about my #1 reference source. It's how I found out about the fact many GPUs used to triple or quadruple their power consumption just because of an extra monitor being connected, and that AMD's HBM-based GPUs were at that point a surprising exception (when otherwise AMDs GPUs are usually the worst at it). These days however I have to ta…

The one I really miss is techreport.com

Now, these guys used to deliver some quality stuff, including the big frame pacing thing that finally convinced the masses that no, fps number is not everything. One of the owners joined AMD and yeah, it's been dead for several years.

Community was quite nice, too.

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