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Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by petodo »

fsh wrote: post #90
petodo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, I'm pretty sure the trend was same, the question now is whether it's accelerated in most vaxxed nations compared to least vaxxed nations, then you can draw conclusion whether it's caused by COVID or vax, if it accelerated since 2021.

Or you could simply check some of the papers that have already been written on this exact issue: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/inde...

institution which was forcing people to vax and was spreading lies you can't get infected or spread virus while vaxxed is the last place I'd look for unbiased information

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #17

For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

I don't understand the rush to defend vaccines.

I've been vaccinated and don't regret that because in those circumstances, they were a positive health choice. But it's impossible to know the long-term impact of any medicine unless you've actually studied it, well, long-term.

In 5 years, the vaccines might be death in a vial. Or they might be completely benign. You'll only know after 5 years.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

wazer5 wrote: post #23
nyrulez wrote: post #21

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It's difficult to draw conclusions because first graph is not the delta in deaths, just total deaths. and southern states have always had a high cardiovascular mortality. I guess the bigger question that I often have is why the rush to completely rule out vaccines? Whenever this discussion comes up, its either complete blame or zero blame. How about investigate it like any other factor with the help of proper data? A…

How about exposure to actual coronavirus? Most everyone is exposed at least to small degrees on a daily/weekly basis given the levels in air.

People also rule out significantly higher levels of sedantary activity, coupled with higher obesity and lower physical activity levels.

Sitting at home and working all day is really bad for your health, especially if you do it on/off for two years.

The group in question - 25-44 year olds - are primary members of the workforce, and most likely saw their work shift to WFH for extended periods of time. Anecdotally, all the people who worked from home within my circle struggled a lot with inactivity and weight gain, coupled with poor diets.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by World177 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #133
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #17

For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

I don't understand the rush to defend vaccines. I've been vaccinated and don't regret that because in those circumstances, they were a positive health choice. But it's impossible to know the long-term impact of any medicine unless you've actually studied it, well, long-term. In 5 years, the vaccines might be death in a vial. Or they might be completely benign. You'll only know after 5 years.

The vaccine is just unrelated to the article. It's about the people who have had Covid-19, not the vaccine.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

aliqot wrote: post #33

What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically.

Correct. Sitting at home absolutely destroyed my health. I got a cervical disc bulge, gained nearly 10kgs in weight, had weird pains and aches in random body spots. It's the worst I've felt in ever.

On a normal day during the pandemic, I would get like 1500 steps in. Before the pandemic, walking to/from the metro alone would take up nearly 8k steps. Total would easily be 12k+ steps.

It was a drastic reduction in activity. I attribute all my current health problems to it.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by blitzar »

bsaul wrote: post #89
virtualritz wrote: post #66

That reminds me of [1] which has disappeared/was deleted but was archived in [2]. > We’re living in the golden age of cocaine,” said Toby Muse, the author of the 2020 book Kilo: Inside the Deadliest Cocaine Cartels [...] I'm sure both are unrelated coincidences (heart attacks and cocaine availability and the disappearsce of this article). [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/golden-age-cocaine-happening-... [2] https:/…

i've always wished someone did a study on the usage of cocaïne among politician and the impact it had on their policies. I suspect a lot of overreacting, impulsive and careless decisions were taken while under influence.

Affairs or secret gay lovers tends to make the politicians more vocal about "traditional family values" so I doubt any other "taboo" wouldnt generate the same hypocracy.

Nancy Regans "Just Say No" crusade could be because she was secretly hiding an addiction to Quaaludes and she didnt want anyone to notice.

edit: turns out she was ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9471693/Nancy-Reaga...

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by wccrawford »

oblib wrote: post #43
alfor wrote: post #9

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Important rise, we don’t know why(job loss? stress?, covid?), we don’t talk about mRNA vaccines.

I'll give you my experience with them. I just turned 63 and got the Pfizer vaxx and boosters as early as I could. Honestly, I did not have any side effects at all and neither did my wife. We made a point to take some vitamins and supplements for a few days before getting the shots, but that was all. In Dec 2021 one of our daughters, who refused to get vaxxed, came up for the holidays and tested positive about 5 days…

My wife and our friends all got vaccinated as early as we could, and got all the boosters we could. We're also pretty careful around strangers, and stay home when we feel sick.

Most of us have had Covid at least once now.

I'm super glad that you haven't had Covid and I hope you never do. But the vaccine just vastly improves your odds of not contracting it, and lessens the effects if you do. It's not anywhere near 100% effective against it.

My point is that you should continue to be at least a little cautious, and not just ignore Covid.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by vasco »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #96
joaorico wrote: post #41

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Simpson’s paradox should be taken into account. If you group the population into only 2 groups: all of the vaccinated and all the unvaccinated, regardless of age; then the vaccinated had a higher death toll. But age is a hidden factor. The older have more risks and are more vaccinated. If you group by vaccination AND by age bracket, the opposite happens. For example, the 60 to 65 vaccinated have a lower death rate th…

Just so I understand what you're saying, it sounds to me like covid is killing old people and something else is killing everyone else at a higher rate, correlating with vaccination status? So only old people and high risk individuals should've gotten the vaccine?

That much was obvious. Young people weren't asked to take the vaccine to protect themselves but to protect the herd.
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