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Re: Orion Browser

#101
The timing of this piece on Hacker News is just one day before a new beta release is planned with a new vertical tab sidebar implementation which is easier than the current one. But it's already better than Safari Tab Groups and more mac-assed than Arc.

Most people should wait for the new beta release, or at least make sure they get the new update that has been in the oven for some weeks now. The Orion Team cranks new features and new UIs like crazy!

Re: Orion Browser

#102

As many of other commenters here, I agree that: - it's awesome to have more browsers; - Orion is very impressive already, but not quite ready for daily using if your browsing needs are above average; - vertical tabs are the biggest selling point for many people. I also wanted to mention how responsive the team are. I submit my thoughts and bug reports from time to time on the official forum [0], and the team cares a…

There's a new beta release coming in the next days!

Re: Orion Browser

#103

I just think it's cool that this exists. Would love to see more browsers out there, even if I recognise what a herculean task it is.

Just browsing orionfeedback.org shows how difficult it is to create a fully fledged modern browser _even_ if you already tap onto an existing rendering engine.

Re: Orion Browser

#104
post #14

It’s okay. I like the vertical tabs. Sadly, extensions are buggy and I can’t get Vue Dev Tools to run, which is needed for work. Kagi search is really nice though. Switched to usit exclusively.

macOS-native vertical tabs were a big win for me too, and like yourself, its WebExtensions API is a win over Safari OOTB but there are Chrome extensions I really rely on that don't work, some as a result of the differences between Webkit and Blink themselves, so I find myself drawn to Arc browser where I get, IMO, a much more robust UI where vertical tabs are the default and the command palette in place of an address…

I wanted to try Arc, but somehow can’t get past the login screen. Support from them has not been very responsive yet.

Re: Orion Browser

#105
post #83

If only Arc was native... uses so much memory. but the product is too good to switch to Orion.

But Arc is native. They are building it in Swift. They have even taken on a mammoth task of building their windows version in Swift!

Oh I didn't know! I thought it was Chromium under the hood which is just very memory hungry. Is Chromium actually Swift under the hood?

Re: Orion Browser

#106
post #79
post #53

The native tree-style tabs in Orion (yes, actual tree-style, not just vertical) are awesome. And on my M1 MBP Orion handily beats Firefox in power efficiency. Being able to install Chrome extensions, despite being a Webkit based browser, makes it better than Safari (where people have to pay the Apple Tax to make extensions for it). Really there's only 2 issues I have with Orion: 1. It's not available outside of the A…

Much of the risk associated with password managers is only applicable when using the browser extensions. I know it’s a minor inconvenience, but I would advise sticking with the lack of extension.

This hasn’t been shown to be true in any meaningful way.

Re: Orion Browser

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably it does not need to be open source if it is zero-telemetry by default (if privacy is concern). Reference: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ossprivacy

A piece of software will always be more trustworthy when it is free and open source than when it is closed source. A web browser interacts with so many servers that it would be very difficult to screen for all of the possible ways it could leak information to third parties if it were malicious. A FOSS browser has no such concerns since the code can be checked for malicious behavior. Any telemetry in FOSS can be eithe…

> A piece of software will always be more trustworthy when it is free and open source than when it is closed source.

Totally disagree. Unless you are reviewing the software yourself (like not), you’re just hoping that somebody else reviewed it and they are competent, and that any vulns are reported and fixed.

That’s a lot of trust ok a system that may or may not work as intended.

Might as well be closed source at that point.

Re: Orion Browser

#109
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Arc is native. They are building it in Swift. They have even taken on a mammoth task of building their windows version in Swift!

Oh I didn't know! I thought it was Chromium under the hood which is just very memory hungry. Is Chromium actually Swift under the hood?

Chromium is C++, i.e. native. The amount of memory used is a separate issue for the most part, and any language or execution environment can use a lot.

Re: Orion Browser

#110
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of the risk associated with password managers is only applicable when using the browser extensions. I know it’s a minor inconvenience, but I would advise sticking with the lack of extension.

This hasn’t been shown to be true in any meaningful way.

I think it is if the the extension does it’s thing without any user interaction?

At least I remember reading that that was why the Bitwarden extension is so safe. It doesn’t do anything until I press a button.

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