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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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There was a huge negative spike around the invasion, but the bigger effect has been the rapid rise in fuel prices. Russia are now clearly losing and Russia is in less of a position to threaten. Nobody in UK discourse is talking about conscription. Mind you, UK political discourse has gone increasingly off the rails with trying not to deal with corruption and incompetence of Tories.

Is Russia clearly loosing? I hope so. But I'm not so sure. They didn't win immediately like they thought they would. But long term they might have better chance than Ukraine to win a war of attrition. (If murdering 100000s people and conquering ruined cities can be called "winning".) Read [1] recently and it paints an bleaker picture than some other analyses. https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukr…

This might be of interest to you :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deK98IeTjfY

It's a video essay on ammunition stockpiles on Ukraine and Russia by the youtuber Perun. It doesn't paint a rosy picture per se, but it does directly refute at least a few of the points made by the author of the RM blog you linked.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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This is the problem generally known as liberalism. Hobbes said the foundation of the state was the arbitrary Will of the individuals in the state. Modern states are thus founded on caprice. The solution is as JFK said: “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”

I'm curious if you have any recommended reading on the criticism of liberalism?

I prefer Hegel’s critique. In his Philosophy of Right. It’s a difficult read but very much worth it. This is from the Editor’s Introduction:

“Hegel's liberal critics are in the habit of saying that he does not believe in founding a social order on the conception of individual rights. The element of truth in this assertion is that Hegel thinks personal right, apart from a developed system of ethical life, is an empty abstraction; he believes that a social order founded (as in liberal political theory) on such abstractions will be unable even to protect individual rights, much less to actualize the whole of concrete freedom. In fact, Hegel thinks that the greatest enemy of personal and subjective freedom is a 'mechanistic' conception of the state, which views the state solely as an instrument for the enforcement of abstract rights; for this sets the state up as an abstraction in opposition to individuals. In Fichte's theory, for example, Hegel sees the state as a police power whose only function is to supervise and regulate the actions of individuals through coercive force. The only real guarantee of freedom is a well-constituted ethical life, which integrates the rights of persons and subjects into an organic system of customs and institutions providing individuals with concretely fulfil­ling lives.” (p. xvi)

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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This is the problem generally known as liberalism. Hobbes said the foundation of the state was the arbitrary Will of the individuals in the state. Modern states are thus founded on caprice. The solution is as JFK said: “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”

This begs the question, what is it that my country wants to do, and who decides that?

In my view it should be decided by a class of philosophers. People who from an early age were possessed of a duty to the whole.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Everything was normal until it wasn't, and if it wasn't back then, nobody else paid that much attention because that wasn't normal, so they hoped it went away.

That is, our bias tends to be towards supporting and reproducing the norms we're familiar with. Acknowledging a problem with the norms is much harder than ignoring and dismissing an actual problem that contradicts them, because it's often a challenge to faith to resolve conflicts between closely-held values.

It's the disruption to norms, not specific events, that leaves a pit in one's stomach.

Here's what I suggest you do instead of looking for specific evidence of decline. Go read "Joe vs Elan School"[0]. Get angry and upset at the story, and then note that this is really a story that, while covering mostly the last few decades, has threads from as early as the 1950's, a decade where things were "normal" relative to now. Except, if the story is to believed, they weren't. They couldn't have been!

And then...focus on virtue ethics rather than norms. Norms are exhausting, a perpetual "babies vs parents" game of shifting around boundaries and responsibilities such that some people(e.g. billionaires) can behave like children, while other groups must attend to and explain the child's actions - and that's how a place like Elan can exist. We can curse that darkness, but nobody has time to work out all the ways in which they could properly live better instead of succumbing to a norm; you have to lead with strength and hope others follow.

[0] https://elan.school

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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A bunch of claims that cannot be easily verified and may never pay off even if they are true and viable. Why can't we do something about the genocide of young black men that is being committed by young black men, for example?

genocide of young black men Are you talking about a specific country in Africa? If so, what do you propose? Should we send US military to force a regime change? Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, right?

To be honest, the regime change in Afghanistan was kind of working, at least that's what it looked to me when I was there in 2010. Then the western world lost interest and withdrew

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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A lot of this is related to inequality, value of labour detaching from wealth, and the increasing unaffordability of life. The material conditions of regular people are continuously getting worse as more and more of their income is stripped away by rent seeking oligopolies, mainly increasing housing costs but depending on your jurisdiction all sorts of other costs (eg. cable and mobile phone costs an issue in some pl…

Am I wrong to think these are just a typical Marxist class-struggle talking points? At any rate, blaming the problems on inequality seems a lot like seeing everything as nail when all you have is a hammer. I'm not sure why OP's complaint that people don't care as much, or that they are loud and inconsiderate, necessarily has anything to do with inequality. The might feel like there's no chance to get ahead so I'm jus…

Maybe worry less about the classifications about whether something is Marxist or [whatever]-ist and think about whether the statements have any truth and makes sense or not.

Religion went away decades upon decades ago. It went away in my parents' generation. That is not new.

In my lifetime, the main variable that has been changing the most for the negative, rapidly getting severely and dramatically worse is the cost of living and in particular the cost of housing.

Maybe the causes of everything getting worse are just that simple.

https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-e...

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I wouldn’t use the word “genocide” in this context, unless you think what happens to young black men in US is similar to what happened in Rwanda.

What do you call a murder rate of 81.7/100000 for black men aged 15-24? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

To me, a murder rate of 94000/100000 is a genocide, and 81.7/100000 is not.

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post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

genocide of young black men Are you talking about a specific country in Africa? If so, what do you propose? Should we send US military to force a regime change? Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, right?

To be honest, the regime change in Afghanistan was kind of working, at least that's what it looked to me when I was there in 2010. Then the western world lost interest and withdrew

How long were we supposed to enforce the regime change there?

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I don't know your age but I'm going to guess 30+. This is just happens when you get old. When you were younger you probably noticed that all the older people you knew pined for some earlier time (say the 1970s or 1950s). And you probably thought they were being silly. Well, now you've become one of those people. The fact is the world always seems better when you are younger, not because the world necessarily better,…

> This is just happens when you get old. When you were younger you probably noticed that all the older people you knew pined for some earlier time (say the 1970s or 1950s). Not really. What I picked up from them is the 90s were some sort of high period.

I would say that was due to mostly shock and the brainwashing our parents gotten which delayed the wokeness as the hippies were quietly finding out about Cocaine and becoming Capitalists. Disco never died, it was just the precursor to EDM. Attitudes about people didn't change, they were just relabeled from Geek to Nerd and back to Geek once they became millionaires and "cool". Politics are still the same however - if not worse due to the herd mechanisms and failed idealism.

I'm one year shy of my big 50 now and have been online most all of my life in one form or another so I feel I'm pretty hip to both sides of the culture/counterculture that connectedness brought forward. I've learned and confirmed that usually when it comes to personal/family wealth that it's better to have a republican in office (as long as you have financial understanding on what you can control in your life) but that comes at the expense of perhaps personal safety or religious separation as usually what happens is that democrats will not only add more social programs but will also put more people in prisons due to the concept of being "tough" on crime.

It's too soon to say whether or not social/mental health programs will change the trend but one could say that the biggest changes come from social adoption towards better change. I hold up the 1950's where laws were passed to both codify and tear down major social issues and whet peoples attitudes for changing the world, after many of them went farther than any generation previous to them ever traveled - remember that most people rarely traveled more than 100 miles from the place they were born for any great length of time over the 175 years prior to this period.

You hopefully just saw some with BLM, Safe Places, Gender/Sexual Equality and also some retractions like Abortion Legalization (remember, the SCOTUS is just an equalizer - not a law maker which there was never formal legalization - just the prevention of non-legalization being enacted).

Billy Joel has a song called "We Didn't Start The Fire" for which is his least favorite song that lists off the highs and lows of the period. The only problem is that it stops at roughly 1990. It would take a whole other song to quantify what has happened since for which one could say that we still may have highs and lows but overall it's still getting better than before our great grandparents had to exist within.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #482

I don't know your age but I'm going to guess 30+. This is just happens when you get old. When you were younger you probably noticed that all the older people you knew pined for some earlier time (say the 1970s or 1950s). And you probably thought they were being silly. Well, now you've become one of those people. The fact is the world always seems better when you are younger, not because the world necessarily better,…

I'm 22 and I'm worried about high interest rates and how the cost of food has doubled. Getting a house is out of the question right now because I want a stable job rather than starting a business. Mind you I have more prospects than most; I'm at a top XX school's CS program. In high school I worked at a car wash and I met people who'd worked there for twenty odd years. Well not 'there' as they usually bounced from pl…

I think you are stunting your growth and forgetting to live life. The world works on a Benjamin Button sort of deal where the best you will ever be physically is when you are the most financially destitute and vice versa. Thus your risk adverseness is also reversed where the time to be risky with wealth and job and life in general is your youth and the least when your in retirement age.

The best thing you should worry about right now is figuring out a budget that allows for constant savings into bellwether stocks or savings bonds THAT YOU DON'T DESTROY ON A WHIM to tap the power of COMPOUND INTEREST. Heed Warren Buffett's advice and get into the habit of saving money early along with the discipline of not touching it for any reason until you have sufficient resources to readjust the performance of whatever it was invested into.

If you don't have money working for you by collecting interest or grown by investment whether by wall street or a main street business, it will not keep up with inflation - that was learned by many in the 1980's when deregulation began eroding the financial industry.

But the real point is that you should be young and take risks now as when you are older, you won't have the time or possibly the freedom to do it without other factors being in play (job,family,responsibilities for young and old, etc..)

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