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PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

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Here's what a layoff email should include: - Broad specifics on who is getting laid off (numbers, teams/areas, geography). To help everyone understand the scope/nature of it. - Specifics about when people impacted will be notified by (ideally as short as possible, so people aren't e.g. waiting over a weekend to hear on Monday). Also, exactly how they will be notified. - Specifics on severance/support/benefits and or…

> I also like how it is "11 weeks" instead of 3 months, May be that's because in US some people are paid bi-weekly and people's paydays can be different

> May be that's because in US some people are paid bi-weekly and people's paydays can be different

Shouldn't total number of weeks be a multiple of two than?

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I translated part of the email in this post l: https://functional.cafe/@loke/109748562675456516 > For the last two years we have undertaken proactive initiatives to scale efficiently, "We've reduced hiring" > accelerating this program last summer by standardizing our go-to-market motion globally, "Made our product worse" > reducing layers, Either "rewrote some code" or "got rid of middle managers", depending on what…

“go-to-market motion” means how the product is sold.

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11 weeks..._on average_!

For the record, this is less generous than other companies have offered.

That's why I highlighted the "on average" part. Some people are getting more; some less. That's crappy.

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In my book, the unsurpassed champion is Marissa Mayer. She was a product manager at early Google who dated Sergey and was promoted to VP. One of her accomplishments at Google was choosing the palette for the Google logo using a data-driven process. Based off of this success, she was made the CEO of Yahoo!, which she promptly proceeded to drive into the ground.

I suggest this is sexism here - and I'm generally the last person to call that kind of thing out, usually assuming goodwill. Specifically for implying that someone traded sex for a promotion, unless you have some legit data there. Marissa was a very early person at Google, and contributed to a lot of things [1]. Obviously a Wikipedia entry is going to be hagiographic, and some early players are going to be better tha…

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I have no words to express how much I hate US culture around on call duty. When I was on call in Europe, in 2 different countries, it was either: * you're on call but you get paid extra hours for each hour on call. This was enforced by law. You're asking an employee to put in more than the legal 40-ish hours? You pay. Let me tell you that companies only used that when they really cared about being up 24/7. * your wor…

I work for a European company and on-call is mandatory (part of your employment contract, and no additional compensation). However, the culture around it is completely different. You're expected to take the next day off if you get paged in the middle of the night (unless it's like a 5 min false alarm), you get to expense all meals while on-call, and your manager freely gives time off in lieu if you have a bad shift.

I have this in the US but I feel very privileged

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Can confirm. I was at HP during Leo's tenure. I remember we bought Palm in July, 2010, but because the Palm Tablet (TouchPad) didn't immediately eclipse the iPad in sales, the whole thing was cancelled. How arrogant do you have to be to think you will overtake the iPad in sales over a single quarter.

The whole touchpad thing is really baffling, I remember they fire-saled them and having one. It wasn’t half bad and deserved much better commitment from the execs. What a waste of engineering effort

WebOS and the touchpad in particular were in many ways superior to android. However, HP didn't have the stomach for the fight. Heck, even MSFT didn't have the stomach for the fight At the end of the day, android was paid for by ads, so google could keep on pushing it in ways that everyone else couldn't, even without owning the hardware.

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What a completely weird conspiracy theory. Are you saying big tech execs are republicans? This is literally just blue maga qanon rhetoric. They said the exact same about "the elite" sabotaging trump back in 2020 by tanking the economy since it was doing too well for him to lose.

The GP is correct. Executives have been warning about a so-called recession since spring 2022, and it's naive to think they're doing it to keep the public informed--that's not really their thing. They've been trying to induce a slowdown because the unemployment rate is too low, and they don't want to raise salaries. Unionization is gaining traction across the country, and executives need to exert their bargaining pow…

I'm not saying the economy isn't correct. I actually agree that it's doing just fine, regardless of all the doomerposting about it that has been so popular lately. I'm just saying that the "exec conspiring to elect the GOP" part is completely insane imo.

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Inflation is the tool that the Fed was attempting to use to slow down the economy. Q1 and Q2 only look bad because they kept raising rates nonstop. Hell, Q4 of 2021 saw 7% growth.

You're saying they're not trying to slow down the economy to lower inflation , but rather inflation is the tool to slow down the economy with ???

What exactly do you think raising interest rates contribute to? Yes, prices are going higher, but they're trying to use the tools available to force hiring to slow down because it's impacting the market with increased wages.

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You're saying they're not trying to slow down the economy to lower inflation , but rather inflation is the tool to slow down the economy with ???

What exactly do you think raising interest rates contribute to? Yes, prices are going higher, but they're trying to use the tools available to force hiring to slow down because it's impacting the market with increased wages.

> What exactly do you think raising interest rates contribute to?

Not inflation... the whole point of this is to make inflation go down.

If raising interest rates would cause inflation, why did they start after inflation spiked? Why did inflation go back down after they raised rates? Why are they saying everything they're saying?

If inflation slows down the economy, and they want to slow the economy and openly admit that, why are they claiming to fight inflation?

Am I completely misunderstanding your argument? I'm so confused.

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How big of a monthly op-ex cost are we talking about here? is it like 1% of sales?

If I remember correctly we were around 1,600 engineers in our org at the time and the yearly cost savings were around $100,000. We saved a lot more on some other vendors, for instance I think we saved about $8 million with AWS but it was significant.

Not that $100k is a small amount of money, but with 1600 engineers, that's less than 1 engineer's salary per year, or < 0.06% of the total engineering salary per year.
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