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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #67

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>being a grown-ass adult in pajamas out in public I'm with you about all the other things but people wearing whatever clothes they want to affects you in literally no way shape or form.

Dress how you want in your own house. The public space isn't yours and you don't have a right to dress indecently in the public space. Turns out, some of us want to live in a society that takes itself seriously and gives a shit. Walking around in your Cookie Monster PJs just doesn't cut it. THIS mindset is what I think is the root of all the other listed problems. Somehow freedom has come to mean "I can do whatever I…

I really like places where people wear whatever they find comfortable (PJs, bare feet, togs, dirty work clothes). Happens near me a particular supermarket, and a shopping mall.

Seeing someone in their relaxed clothes has an intimicy, like walking into their home. They tend to be friendlier, more open, smilier.

Uptight suburbs where everyone is wearing "nice" clothes and more strictly following social conventions can feel unfriendly, sad and closed. I can play along with the mores, but I prefer places with more relaxed codes.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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"everything is subscription model [...] pay N times to access something thats only worth 1-3x" For me, 10 bucks a month for music and ~15 for movies/series (~1.5 concurrent subscriptions on average) adds up to less than a percent of my net income. For that, I can watch basically any series, any movie I want, and listen to any music I like.

Compare to 99ct/song that was allegedly a very hard sell for the music industry, under that model my Spotify library would be worth 1150 bucks, and I paid about 1200 for it across a decade of subscription. I get to listen to any song as much as I want without committing to paying another 99ct, under the iTunes model I'd be constantly wondering if this is worth spending another euro. Not spending money every time you do something that costs money makes you feel worse than clicking the 'buy' button once, and the math works out to within the error margins so I'm happy with that deal. And it streams on any device, no need to move oggs/opuses around or have a NAS/HDD for the TV to play music. It's a value-add for the same price.

I also have ~annual backups, so if Spotify dies the way that Grooveshark did, I don't lose my music library. Since there are competitors where I can get all the same music on a whim, I feel like I do own my own library.

"People are noisy as fuck and dont seem to give a shit." No more than before for me. Less, even, after moving from the Netherlands to Germany.

"Police seem to not give a shit anymore." Haven't noticed any change here. I got my first fine in Germany for turning left across a through line at 2am with nobody on the road. Keeping ðem lawless people straight, they are!

"Landlords seem extremely greedy" I'm waiting on my service costs invoice from 2019 still, and rent hasn't changed since we moved in in 2018, not even indexed for inflation or anything. They brought us an actually huge pile of bottled water when water went out after our city was flooded by a river in 2021, no charge. The deposit returns alone must have been worth fifty or a hundred euros.

"there's a ton of little things too like the water is poison, the air is poison, the food system is poison or crashing" The heck kinda news are you getting? We learn more about the effects of the things around us more than that our food is of worse quality than what our great grandparents ate (who, in most of the world, likely didn't have food at all on occasion; whereas starving is absolutely unheard of for 7 out of 8 billion people today). We feed more mouths more and better food than a hundred years ago and besides yearly fluctuations that certainly happen, if you look across something like a decade (any recent decade), the trends for healthcare, education, etc. are positive anywhere in the world except for inside direct war zones.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #7

I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

Just because a thing has a name doesn't mean it's true. In many ways the past was better than the present. For example in 1965 a single average wage earner could afford a 15 year mortgage for a nice house in a nice neighborhood.

And don't even get me started on architecture. There's no rosy colored glasses there. Contemporary five over ones are abominable.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That can be good advice for OP (I suspect it is), but also OP can have a point: things can largely be getting worse, not staying the same or getting better. > General worker apathy is endemic everywhere I go I have noticed a major increase in this in my day-to-day interactions

Most workers I've hung out around recently, at least in the service industry, seem cheerful and friendly as ever. Most of my remote coworkers in the current gig are some of the friendliest, most intelligent working people I have had the pleasure of working with. But again, I've stopped looking LinkedIn, disabled or deleted and stopped engaging on the majority of social media platforms (HN remains as a final crutch),…

Workers in the service industry are cheerful and friendly to each other, but not to me...

e.g. in Best Buy the other day I walked up to a group of 4 workers chatting together about 10 meters from the checkout counter to ask if any of them could open another till so I could purchase the microwave I was holding.

They told me in an ultra-polite passive aggressive way to wait in line at the single checkout that was open.

Obviously no big deal: hourly workers in their teens and 20s have always been less than stellar. Except the worsening trend has been noticeable.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#556
1) We just went through a globally historically unique event, the likes of hopefully won't be seen for another 100 years.

2) If you log off social media, your life will improve remarkably. That said, I love TikTok because I find it so inspirational, at least my feed is.

3) Depending on where you live, your sentiments can definitely be true. I feel California has gone downhill a lot in terms of safety, affordability, etc. But if you turn off social media you probably will feel this a lot less.

4) If you go outside, travel, etc, you'll find that it's not so bad. Unplug and travel is probably the best thing to do.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#557
post #258

Loss of religious grounding. Christianity was the north star for our societies, it organized people, align them to work together, put the future(love) before personal interest(excess pleasures, sins) Without religion we are going to fail. There never was a working society without religion. Yes we are in a different time, we have to update our stories, but if we throw them out we are going to collapse. Ex: does a doct…

I'm curious how you explain Japan. Their traditional religions have never been very big on moral instruction, certainly not the way Christianity is, and today a supermajority of the population doesn't take religion seriously at all. And yet you have a generally well-behaved populace, low crime, very low rates of out-of-wedlock births, and so on. They have their own problems, of course, but not so much these particular problems.

I guess you could argue that a particular self-reinforcing system of social norms could be considered a sort of orthopractic religion, but that would be a bit of a definitional stretch.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#558
I believe that social media is contributing to these feelings. It seems that social media, being an amplifier for "shocking" stories, tends to exacerbate the negativity of the world around us. Only the most controversial, sad or frustrating stories get eyeballs.

It's been this way with traditional TV and radio newscasts, of course. But TV now has to compete with social media and is moving towards the same hysteria. Podcasts for sure and some radio programming are also playing the doomsday soundtrack as well.

I don't actually think the world is in a much worse place. I do believe that America (and probably the world) is changing culturally, how we treat others, human rights, respect. There seems to be a new awakening towards minority rights, gay rights, race, and police abuse. Negative things have always existed, but it's becoming harder to hide them with the ever present social media lens looking at us. We're changing our societal perspectives and discourse as a direct result of the extra focus.

So maybe it's a good thing. Maybe all these negative feelings and observations are a technology/media driven renaissance of sort. We're possibly just at the dawn of a new age of awareness and respect for others and the world around us.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#559

> People are noisy as fuck and dont seem to give a shit. Seems like every night there's someone with loud as exhaust on "sportish" car ripping around the neihborhood. For months this guy would start up his loud car at 7am and no one care when I complained. > Police seem to not give a shit anymore. I've noticed what seems to be total lawlessness going on in my world. Folks stealing shit. People driving absurdly danger…

And this is where in the world? It sounds likely regional but you're not mentioning a region.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#560
post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of this tweet by Derek Thompson (writer at The Atlantic ): In 2022, we: - Reversed organ death in pigs - Made the first embryo from stem cells - Made a pan-influenza vaccine - Saw the beginning of time - Got best-ever results from cancer & obesity therapy trials - Maybe cracked the case of multiple sclerosis From: https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1600864770751860737 ( https://archive.is/pi95L )

A bunch of claims that cannot be easily verified and may never pay off even if they are true and viable. Why can't we do something about the genocide of young black men that is being committed by young black men, for example?

We cant fix that because our economic system is rigged against black people. They are kicked down and are forced to fight each other for scraps. The same rigging benefits you (probably) and thus you cannot think of a solution. This rigging starts very early. It's the looks they get in the supermarket. It's how educators think these kids are less smart and give them less chances. Their parents dont educate them in smartness-indicators like the use of certain words or the non-use of others. The parents dont educate them in these indicators because they feel these indicators are from "white people". They are proud of their own culture because they are rejected by the elites (mostly white/Asian). The elites in turn reject them for their "lower class"(read black) behavior. I bet you even do this. After that the easy way is to blame the black people for their upbringing/culture. That closes the loop and blames them for their own failure. But the cause and effects are the other way around.
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