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Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Team Free Speech certainly looks a lot like Team Hypocrisy

When government is buying the books for our children, it's ok to be cautious.

What I have seen is that parents are objecting their young children being sexualized with taxpayer money.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #40

Team Free Speech certainly looks a lot like Team Hypocrisy

When government is buying the books for our children, it's ok to be cautious. What I have seen is that parents are objecting their young children being sexualized with taxpayer money.

Dude I'm literally gay. Do you think your kids need to be "protected" from knowing I exist?

Is knowing stories featuring gay people a form of sexualization?

This is the thinking that rubberized playgrounds. Your precious children are in the world. Deal with it.

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EDIT: @dang has established that I'm 'posting too fast' every 37 minutes. Dang, we see you.

Here's my reply: Because some of those children are like me and would benefit, as as I would have, from access to actual, true information, so they don't kill themselves, like I almost did.

You think you're saving your kids. You're traumatizing them.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #10

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If a book only featuring white people isn't racist, then a book only featuring black people isn't racist. If a book ending with a prince living happily ever after with a princess isn't about sex, then a book ending with two princes living happily ever after isn't about sex. However, these are not the standards that Florida is applying.

The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc. This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer"…

I'm triggered by what you say here.

First, this is the most extreme example on that list. Lots of other literature is on there, do you support banning all of it, and jailing teachers that don't prevent a kid from reading it, because that is the real question.

Second, you say apparently, so it sounds like you haven't read it. Perhaps you don't want to, but have you talked to someone who actually has?

I've not read it, but I'm going to buy it. I went to the web page and saw the intention, which is to teach young adults (late teenagers) healthy sexual habits. If this book isn't provided to them, those kids are going to get it from alternative sources on the Internet. I mean porn. I don't mean to be "binary" (I'm happy with that pun) but it really is a choice between those two things.

By the way, that book isn't directed towards children as you assert. It's on the web site and clearly intended for young adults. Big difference.

When I read the book, interested in hearing my review?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When government is buying the books for our children, it's ok to be cautious. What I have seen is that parents are objecting their young children being sexualized with taxpayer money.

Dude I'm literally gay. Do you think your kids need to be "protected" from knowing I exist? Is knowing stories featuring gay people a form of sexualization? This is the thinking that rubberized playgrounds. Your precious children are in the world. Deal with it. -- EDIT: @dang has established that I'm 'posting too fast' every 37 minutes. Dang, we see you. Here's my reply: Because some of those children are like me and…

Do you think kids honestly care in the least about anyone's sexual preferences or orientations? They haven't even started to approach the timeframe for going through that kind of biological development. Some things should just be kept private by default and reserved for whenever more nuanced discussion becomes possible, with proper content warnings being given beforehand. Let's not sexualize people without meaningful consent.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #64
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc. This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer"…

I'm triggered by what you say here. First, this is the most extreme example on that list. Lots of other literature is on there, do you support banning all of it, and jailing teachers that don't prevent a kid from reading it, because that is the real question. Second, you say apparently, so it sounds like you haven't read it. Perhaps you don't want to, but have you talked to someone who actually has? I've not read it,…

I've read it.

If it's not for children, why is it in school libraries? The problem is not that it exists. The problem is that it is being put in school libraries. If you read it you will likely see why. It literally has graphical depictions of children engaging in what would be considered hardcore pornography in any other context.

I can self-describe liquor as a "natural sleep aid for young adults", that doesn't change the fact that it is liquor and has no place in a high school vending machine.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Also the extraordinary difficulty of voting in Florida if you have a felony charge.

I'm ok with convicted rapists having to sit elections out. Judicial overreach of felonies is a different discussion.

Maybe the headline of this article is a clue as to which of those things is relevant here.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #66
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm triggered by what you say here. First, this is the most extreme example on that list. Lots of other literature is on there, do you support banning all of it, and jailing teachers that don't prevent a kid from reading it, because that is the real question. Second, you say apparently, so it sounds like you haven't read it. Perhaps you don't want to, but have you talked to someone who actually has? I've not read it,…

I've read it. If it's not for children, why is it in school libraries? The problem is not that it exists. The problem is that it is being put in school libraries. If you read it you will likely see why. It literally has graphical depictions of children engaging in what would be considered hardcore pornography in any other context. I can self-describe liquor as a "natural sleep aid for young adults", that doesn't chan…

I lived in Japan. They had vending machines that sell liquor and they trust kids not to buy it. It's not a perfect solution.

If a six year old kid walked up to check out that book, wouldn't the librarian stop them? I think the answer to that question speaks to whether you believe in "grooming" or not.

You really feel like this is hardcore pornography? The images I saw didn't suggest that at all. There are people that engage in sex like that, I'm sure you know. Do you feel like it is morally wrong to have sex like that which is described and is that why you are saying it is hardcore pornography?

I'll need reserving judgement on whether these are pictures of children engaging in sex. I would be very surprised if that's what is depicted. You are sure of that?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Given that it's Republicans, they'd prefer people don't become teachers, and shut down the public system, and then the only teachers would be either as part of churches, or for the ultra wealthy. The motivation is then ridiculous pay or faith. That leaves out how Floridans will fare in the American service and knowledge based economy without education, but that's a problem for a different generation

The uneducated make great voters and even better workers.

Which is exactly why there's a gigantic push for gender ideology, whiteness studies, and other grievance studies. Those steeped in the ideology are truly uneducated and will vote for those pushing these beliefs. They're pro-open immigration so the better workers will flood in, and the more diverse the workplace, the less likely they are to unionize.(https://www.jstor.org/stable/24810295).

It's a win/won for the capitalist owner class.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When government is buying the books for our children, it's ok to be cautious. What I have seen is that parents are objecting their young children being sexualized with taxpayer money.

Dude I'm literally gay. Do you think your kids need to be "protected" from knowing I exist? Is knowing stories featuring gay people a form of sexualization? This is the thinking that rubberized playgrounds. Your precious children are in the world. Deal with it. -- EDIT: @dang has established that I'm 'posting too fast' every 37 minutes. Dang, we see you. Here's my reply: Because some of those children are like me and…

What else is going on in your life that makes influencing other people's children so important to you?
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