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High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by LeanderK »

grugagag wrote: post #182
throwaway98797 wrote: post #45

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broke bar tenders have always been cool next penny-less musicians doing well too??

Bartenders can also make a lot of money in cash remaining with plenty of expendable energy to pursue other things in life that make them whole. All that together make up for and put in perspective to a stressed out engineer chasing to keep up to date with their skills at the expense of everything else.

The bartenders I know are very social, confident and, that's maybe just coincidence, good locking. They are easy to talk to and know how to command a room, even if it's full of drunk people. If we compare stereotypes, they would tick all the boxes that are not typically associated with engineers.

I know a few so hard "into the grind" that they are not bothering to learn the language, since it's always english at work and they do not really interact with people outside work. A different approach to life I guess, but probably not more successful on the dating market.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jrace wrote: post #238
mshake2 wrote: post #226

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i'm tired of creating a disproportionate amount of value and reaping the same rewards and allowances as everyone else because anything more would be seen as unfair. no thanks. if the value i'm creating isn't directly correlated with my earnings, i'll go do something else.

I am feeling the same way. Finished last year with the exact same performance review scores as my coworker.. someone who admits to never checking emails, ignoring assigned bugs, and refusing to check the ticketing system. After hearing this person bragging about 'being an asshole stops people from asking him to do work' and the getting the same raise I did has caused me to rethink my work methods. It is difficult to…

It never was valued. The circumstances didn’t change; the collective delusion is simply evaporating (“quiet quitting” colloquially). It was always about shareholder value.

You don’t get paid for working hard, you get paid at the intersection of what you can project as value delivered and what comp your employer is willing to part with to retain your role.

And if you’re working hard and not seeing more comp, why are you working hard? If you enjoy it, by all means, proceed. But don’t be shocked when others are optimizing for a paycheck alone. It is an economically rational decision.

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Post by kodah »

lasfter wrote: post #206
kodah wrote: post #81

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The article wasn't talking about right-leaning media, OP said that. Most of the business owners in tech aren't right leaning, and most of them are saying junk like this. Which is my point, right-leaning media runs around with a bullhorn saying this stuff, but the people firing everyone aren't right-leaning.

It's because people work in their own self-interest, and the interest of large business owners is always in conflict with their employees. Business owners want to extract maximum value from workers for minimum pay. It's unwise to think of business owners as left or right leaning, or to think their espoused politics are any indication of how they will act when push comes to shove. Owners are always perpetuating class…

Business have values and use politics to their advantage. Business owners are the same. Trying to eschew, or more directly what you're doing - excuse, the bad things people of a certain groups do while calling out anither isn't helpful.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

bilsbie wrote: post #97
sillysaurusx wrote: post #54

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Height, intelligence, and a sense of humor. You can often get by with just two. Beyond a certain threshold, throwing money at women doesn't really yield more results. Or at least not the kind of results you'd want.

Is height a bigger deal than 10-20 years ago? I feel like I keep hearing about it.

So do I. I've been with the same woman for the last 20 years but before that I had no trouble dating online and I'm definitely not tall.

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Post by antisthenes »

starkd wrote: post #50
chiefalchemist wrote: post #35

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I see job postings with "must be able to multitask" and "high intensity environment" and I think the 80s called and it wants its 8 ball of coke back. It's common knowledge - or should be - multitasking is a productivity loss, not gain. And the last thing the world needs is another headless-chicken culture where working hard and frantic is confused with smart and efficient. Guard your calm...no one else will.

There will always be a need for some multi-taskers. Some are better at it than others. Not everyone is the same. Office secretaries/assistants/receptionists are the heartbeat of any business.

You can't multitask deep work.

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Post by sangnoir »

kodah wrote: post #81
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #63

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But statistical significance? I like anecdotes as much as the next person, but we’re talking “truth” and stuff here, right? This paper is out to critically inform me, right?

The article wasn't talking about right-leaning media, OP said that. Most of the business owners in tech aren't right leaning, and most of them are saying junk like this. Which is my point, right-leaning media runs around with a bullhorn saying this stuff, but the people firing everyone aren't right-leaning.

> Most of the business owners in tech aren't right leaning

I disagree: tech leaders may be left-leaning on social issues, but they are not left-leaning fiscally. Corporate America as a whole - tech and media included (Fox, NYT, CNN, NBC) are center-right on fiscal issues. Tech companies may dress up their logos in Pride colors at the right times since that's free and earns goodwill.

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Post by sangnoir »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #40
luckylion wrote: post #30

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Yeah, those right-leaning media companies and their constant bashing of the checks notes top 10% earners.

Anything to stoke the “culture war”

All the while decrying "identity politics"

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Post by bradlys »

rhino369 wrote: post #177
zozbot234 wrote: post #100

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NYC or SF is hardly your average dating market, though. You're playing on hard mode.

NYC is easy mode due to the gender imbalance. Harder to attract women by flaunting income since there is a ton of money there. But there are more single women than men.

If only this was true. https://imgur.com/a/Ji6ZoMV

Only Manhattan has more women living in it. Once you account for how many men come into the city at night and date women in Manhattan - it's kinda irrelevant.

It's obviously better than SF for gender ratio but - tbh - it's not any better when it comes to realistic standards for a partner. I'd say it's worse if anything. Yes, the ratio is theoretically better but I find you run into more demanding women here who are constantly shopping around due to the sheer density of people.

Ratio might be good but it doesn't stop people from constantly looking for something better. I've never been in a city where more women in relationships are constantly shopping around - even when they've been with said partner for years and are on their way to marrying them. It's a bonkers place.

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Post by asjkaehauisa »

qntmfred wrote: post #219

From 2012-2018 I worked a corporate job that I really loved, getting several promotions and increasing my compensation significantly. Worked a lot of hours bc I enjoyed the work so much but still what I considered reasonable, and I promoted healthy work life balance for all my teams. I had 3 young kids at home and was still able to do what I thought was my fair share of housework and raising the kids. Then I went thr…

Why can't you just apply for your previous job?

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Post by antisthenes »

rhino369 wrote: post #177
zozbot234 wrote: post #100

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NYC or SF is hardly your average dating market, though. You're playing on hard mode.

NYC is easy mode due to the gender imbalance. Harder to attract women by flaunting income since there is a ton of money there. But there are more single women than men.

It doesn't matter how many single women there are when they are only targeting top 5% of combination of height/success/looks
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