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What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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TCI / Chris Hon are only doing this because his fund is mainly invested in Microsoft and Alphabet[1]. Guess what, his fund recently lost a bit of money for the first time: TCI[2] Its ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING that MS and Alphabet are being pushed into laying off collectively over 20K people so this billionaire can recover a bit. Like, could this not be a national security issue? This man is able to have Google trash thei…

Huh? He doesn’t have control of Alphabet, for sure.

This is broad and across the industry.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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I knew Chris DiBona quite well. While I don't know the whole community as well so this is a rash statement, it's hard to imagine anyone knowing more about open source than Chris does. And Chris, if you're reading this: you rock, man.

It’s such a unfathomably stupid decision that I thought I was misunderstanding what had happened when I saw it.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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I've no inside knowledge on Google, so can't comment on the rationale for selecting those being let go.

From the outside though, Google under Pichai increasingly looks like Microsoft under Ballmer in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Balmer was lauded for delivering good numbers from a dominant market position. That was fine - until it wasn't. Under his watch, Microsoft completely misjudged the internet and totally missed mobile. Gates still smarts about the latter.

Pichai looks like Google's Ballmer. He inherited a cash cow - search was already dominant and both YouTube and Android had been in the stable for ~10 years when he took over. Despite the investment in ML/AI (Google Brain, DeepMind) and notable advances that have come from there (e.g. the Transformer architecture), Google has stagnated with Pichai at the helm. The profit drop is indicative of that. There's only so long you can keep milking the same cow.

Of course, it's rarely those at the top of the tree that go first. Microsoft was staring over the precipice of existence before they finally got rid of Ballmer. OpenAI has grabbed the AI/ML limielight despite much of the formative work coming from Google. The recent "code red" looks a lot like a CEO who's been asleep at the wheel - and someone finally woke him up.

I don't know what's ahead for Google, but I'll wager it'll need a change at the top.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, our smartest people, who were once making people click ads, are now fired.

The people on the revenue making teams aren't usually the ones who are let go.

The algorithms work. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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"What is Google doing with its open source teams?" Laying them off? It is quite sad to see.

Really? The open source teams have the best of the best in terms of reputation and quality output often delivering more value and goodwill compared to the traditional marketing department. They should move some of those folks into search..

The problem is corporation are blinded by short term revenue over long term investments.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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I've no inside knowledge on Google, so can't comment on the rationale for selecting those being let go. From the outside though, Google under Pichai increasingly looks like Microsoft under Ballmer in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Balmer was lauded for delivering good numbers from a dominant market position. That was fine - until it wasn't. Under his watch, Microsoft completely misjudged the internet and totally missed…

This doesn't quite line up for me. Ballmer, for his lack of technical foresight, managed an incredibly profitable business. People act like anybody could have just stepped in to milk Windows and Office for all they were worth, but the focus and execution are easy to scoff at in hindsight. If MS had focused on mobile, who's to say they would have succeeded? And perhaps in the process of losing, also ceded dominance to an upstart in the office software space.

Pichai may not have capitalized effectively on the impressive AI investments Google has made, but he has steered innovation in newer directions like AI and cloud. Technical victories, but questionable business decisions.

I think one possible moral here is, sometimes the best opportunity is the one you don't take.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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post #21

TCI / Chris Hon are only doing this because his fund is mainly invested in Microsoft and Alphabet[1]. Guess what, his fund recently lost a bit of money for the first time: TCI[2] Its ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING that MS and Alphabet are being pushed into laying off collectively over 20K people so this billionaire can recover a bit. Like, could this not be a national security issue? This man is able to have Google trash thei…

Huh? He doesn’t have control of Alphabet, for sure. This is broad and across the industry.

Yes that is correct, but specifically this person is the activist investor publicly pushing for this. Maybe that had no effect, but certainly it seems like this man might be a bit responsible.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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I've no inside knowledge on Google, so can't comment on the rationale for selecting those being let go. From the outside though, Google under Pichai increasingly looks like Microsoft under Ballmer in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Balmer was lauded for delivering good numbers from a dominant market position. That was fine - until it wasn't. Under his watch, Microsoft completely misjudged the internet and totally missed…

Pichai never fully supported google cloud either. The fact google cloud exists is thanks to Amit Singh’s leadership. Palo Alto networks is lucky to have such a visionary CBO at their helm.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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It will be interesting to see amazing talent leave Google and build new companies and institutions now that it’s slowly being mismanaged to death.

It would be amazing to see but I am not sure we will see it happening. Google is the one that taught the whole generation that amazing products and services should be free. It will be very hard to compete against google and other big tech companies that are essentially using predatory pricing to kill any competition.

Re: What is Google doing with its open source teams?

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I knew Chris DiBona quite well. While I don't know the whole community as well so this is a rash statement, it's hard to imagine anyone knowing more about open source than Chris does. And Chris, if you're reading this: you rock, man.

I remember him from The Screensavers as a teenager!
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