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High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Re: High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by bluefirebrand »

foobarian wrote: post #174
bluefirebrand wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. When I met my girlfriend she was really clear that she didn't want to date someone who didn't have a similar level of accomplishment to her. It wasn't about money entirely, but money was a part of it. She has a master's degree and manages a department of people at a fairly big company. I only have a bachelor, and I don't manage people, but I earn more than her. So I guess it balances out? She would never date a…

Kids are a big consideration whether you know it or not. An ambitious professional has better odds of not making time for that, and unfortunately due to biology and the effects of parental leaves this is quite one-sided still. Getting better lately, but still imbalanced.

Kids are not in the picture whether we wanted to or not.

Really what it boiled down to for her is that she worked very hard to get where she was and if the choice was between dating someone who would be semi-dependent on her versus bring single, she'd have stayed single.

She didn't want to be paying for the majority of the house, the car, the groceries, the bills, etc.

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Post by nebula8804 »

SideQuark wrote: post #189
VLM wrote: post #74

The linked article works hard to provide only meaningless personal anecdotes and promote speculation to avoid any actual answers while pushing pre-selected agendas. AKA, journalism in a nutshell. Sadly typical. Which is why almost no one reads that stuff anymore and no one takes it seriously anymore. As a member of the group in question, I find the data easy to believe. Its less than two weeks work on average. If I g…

>The linked article .... The problem here is not journalism - it's people unable or unwilling to read correctly. The second sentence contains a link to the study [1] with all the information you need. > Which is why almost no one reads that stuff Yep, it is clear people don't read this stuff; many simply assume things instead. When you fail to read an article then assume it's another example of your prior belief, esp…

Hmm you've inspired an idea. For stories like this, wish there was some browser extension that would link the study (maybe through user submitted content?) That way, users can avoid clicking the link altogether and just go read the study.

Re: High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by polio »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #136

Yeah, nah. I hired an engineer that I can best describe as lazy, and not in the good way. Thanks to drinking the agile kool aid, it’s easy for engineers to coast and I have to remind the engineers individually that when someone else coasts they all suffer. Context: 8 hour days and correct estimates are all I ask for.

Can you fire them?

Re: High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by nebula8804 »

clarge1120 wrote: post #170
bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't everyone wonder if they're the first immortal to be born?

Yes, all the way until age 40. Then, reality.

That sounds like it is biased towards people who haven't lost their parents by age 40. For people (like me) who have lost a parent before hitting the age of 40 it becomes more real sooner.

Re: High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by koonsolo »

greatpostman wrote: post #21

Controversial opinion: Men are concluding that women don’t care about money as much as they used to, and having an amazing career to snag a great woman is no longer the best (or even a good) strategy. In some ways, being a dedicated corporate employee makes you unattractive as a person. I know a lot of guys in their late 20s that think this. And I know a lot of broke bar tenders dating great women. Unless you are mak…

Women select on success. With success probably comes money, and a lot of people confuse the two when they think about how women select their partner. But it's clearly "success" or the potential of success.

How are you considered successful? When you're winning at some kind of game. Let's just say a successful soccer player. Or an actor. Or a musician. Or you have success in business. With that comes money, I agree. But when you're domination some kind of game, the women will follow.

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Post by lasfter »

kodah wrote: post #81
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But statistical significance? I like anecdotes as much as the next person, but we’re talking “truth” and stuff here, right? This paper is out to critically inform me, right?

The article wasn't talking about right-leaning media, OP said that. Most of the business owners in tech aren't right leaning, and most of them are saying junk like this. Which is my point, right-leaning media runs around with a bullhorn saying this stuff, but the people firing everyone aren't right-leaning.

It's because people work in their own self-interest, and the interest of large business owners is always in conflict with their employees. Business owners want to extract maximum value from workers for minimum pay.

It's unwise to think of business owners as left or right leaning, or to think their espoused politics are any indication of how they will act when push comes to shove. Owners are always perpetuating class war against workers.

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Post by mbgerring »

When I started work at my current company, I used the salary negotiation process to secure a 4-day work week for 80% of the offered salary, and I think more people should do this. Gives me enough time to seriously pursue an avocation and keeps me more engaged with my work overall.

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Post by mstipetic »

zozbot234 wrote: post #197
mstipetic wrote: post #179

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A suit is a signal of being considerate of others? Since when?

Since the suit became popular as informal clothing in the Western world, starting from the mid-19th to the mid-20th c. Look at old photos from that era and you'll see pretty much everyone wears suit-style clothes in public, even and perhaps especially folks we would consider "lower class" today. There was a reason for that, and it had a lot to do with signaling respect and being considerate to others.

Oh come on, there’s a leap of logic if I ever saw one

Re: High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by SeanAnderson »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #144
bradlys wrote: post #75

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I’d also argue that for young men - unless you’re an absolute unit and breathtakingly handsome… you’re always going to need to make more than your partner for a long term relationship. Being a bartender or taking a lower wage job is a surefire way to only being able to sleep around. I’ve only met a few women who earn more than their spouse and can actually only think of one off the top of my head. Every other couple…

Yup. When I met my girlfriend she was really clear that she didn't want to date someone who didn't have a similar level of accomplishment to her. It wasn't about money entirely, but money was a part of it. She has a master's degree and manages a department of people at a fairly big company. I only have a bachelor, and I don't manage people, but I earn more than her. So I guess it balances out? She would never date a…

As long as she sticks by you if an accident befalls you and your career prospects shift to disability then I have no concerns with your partner's stance here.

Otherwise, "money is a part of it" takes a bit of a weirder tone, ya know? Life happens to people. Health issues are guaranteed to come up. Sometimes it's by chance and that's hardly the time for a life partner to abandon you due to perceived misalignment in values.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

nebula8804 wrote: post #204
clarge1120 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all the way until age 40. Then, reality.

That sounds like it is biased towards people who haven't lost their parents by age 40. For people (like me) who have lost a parent before hitting the age of 40 it becomes more real sooner.

I assume clarge1120 meant that people feel immortal until 40 because their body generally does not stop them from doing things until one’s 40s.
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