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High-Earning Men Are Cutting Back on Their Working Hours

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Post by lucaspm98 »

RobinL wrote: post #132
bradlys wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d also argue that for young men - unless you’re an absolute unit and breathtakingly handsome… you’re always going to need to make more than your partner for a long term relationship. Being a bartender or taking a lower wage job is a surefire way to only being able to sleep around. I’ve only met a few women who earn more than their spouse and can actually only think of one off the top of my head. Every other couple…

Given that women on average don't earn that much less than men, it can't be that rare for women to earn more than their male partner

It's rare not due to women earning less than men, but due to women's preference to be single rather that be in a relationship with a man who earns less than them.

It may be overwhelmingly positive that women are not dependent on men financially, but it doesn't seem dating preferences and cultural norms have kept pace.

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Post by grugagag »

throwaway98797 wrote: post #45
greatpostman wrote: post #21

Controversial opinion: Men are concluding that women don’t care about money as much as they used to, and having an amazing career to snag a great woman is no longer the best (or even a good) strategy. In some ways, being a dedicated corporate employee makes you unattractive as a person. I know a lot of guys in their late 20s that think this. And I know a lot of broke bar tenders dating great women. Unless you are mak…

broke bar tenders have always been cool next penny-less musicians doing well too??

Bartenders can also make a lot of money in cash remaining with plenty of expendable energy to pursue other things in life that make them whole. All that together make up for and put in perspective to a stressed out engineer chasing to keep up to date with their skills at the expense of everything else.

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Post by subpixel »

greatpostman wrote: post #21

Controversial opinion: Men are concluding that women don’t care about money as much as they used to, and having an amazing career to snag a great woman is no longer the best (or even a good) strategy. In some ways, being a dedicated corporate employee makes you unattractive as a person. I know a lot of guys in their late 20s that think this. And I know a lot of broke bar tenders dating great women. Unless you are mak…

My bartender bought a house in the country a decade before I did. All those tax free tips add up over time.

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Post by ryandrake »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #89
bradlys wrote: post #69

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Individual actions won’t really lead to any societal change though. Your change won’t change your future jobs. You need worker solidarity at a large class level.

Maybe. But (at least in the short term) we can make them pay for our obedience. You want me to come into the office? Fine, but you'd better be willing to double my salary, or I'm going to one of the other dozens of opportunities that don't require a commute. Out of all the different types of workers, devs have the most power. But we often don't exercise it. It's so tempting to just go along with whatever your work de…

Single devs acting in isolation don’t have any power over their $N billion employer with M hundreds of lawyers. unless they’re really specialized or brilliant like John Carmack or something. It doesn’t matter if you think of devs as “your group”. If you don’t act as a group, you get picked off. Devs as a coordinated bloc have a shot at power, working together.

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Post by welshwelsh »

kerkeslager wrote: post #134

Good. It has become clear that the rich aren't going to give the rest of us any of the profits gained as automation makes things more efficient. The only way normal people gain from improvements is if we collectively refuse to work more than we're paid for. This also smooths the transition to a future in which all work is automated and no one needs to work. That future it far away but it is coming. As less and less h…

Automation isn't going to take anyone's job. People using automation will push out people who lack the skills to use automation. The people who fall behind won't benefit because they don't contribute.

The future where people can work very little to survive is already here, but it's only for those who can produce great value with very little effort.

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Post by im3w1l »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #153
52-6F-62 wrote: post #131

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It’s not their potential mortality. It is their mortality. Very real, and always imminent. Once it stops becoming a “potential” thing, and it’s accepted as reality, then you start making real choices. The outcome is telling but not surprising. It’s among the oldest human wisdom.

Doesn't everyone wonder if they're the first immortal to be born?

Why no, the first immortal was born months before me.

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Post by greatpostman »

lupire wrote: post #64
sillysaurusx wrote: post #54

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Height, intelligence, and a sense of humor. You can often get by with just two. Beyond a certain threshold, throwing money at women doesn't really yield more results. Or at least not the kind of results you'd want.

If you are tall, smart, and funny, but can't pull in good money, you probably aren't so smart. Unless maybe you are ugly? But then does tall still help?

Women don’t think like this

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Post by rhino369 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #12

Key phrase: The top-earning 10% of men in the U.S. labor market. So nowhere near the top 10% of income earners. The real top earners don't do much traditional "work", instead earning money thorough investment and/or family income streams. I would also quibble with the definition of "work", as many activities of top earners would not be considered work by the majority of people. I've been to my fair share of "conferen…

Earned income excludes purely passive investment like capital gains. By defining it that way, you can attack "top earners" like doctors, lawyers, and SWEs without attacking the people who really own the country.

Conferences are a bad sample because they really are vacations. But it's not representative of how a professional works. My buddy is a neurologist who works 70 hours a week at a hospital. 2 times a year he goes on one of those boondoggles, but the other 50 weeks a year he's spending a lot of time in the ICU.

It's hard to lump high earners into one bucket. There are salesmen and some executives who probably work 30 hours a week at worst. And there are lawyers and IBankers who work 60 on a good week.

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Post by SideQuark »

VLM wrote: post #74

The linked article works hard to provide only meaningless personal anecdotes and promote speculation to avoid any actual answers while pushing pre-selected agendas. AKA, journalism in a nutshell. Sadly typical. Which is why almost no one reads that stuff anymore and no one takes it seriously anymore. As a member of the group in question, I find the data easy to believe. Its less than two weeks work on average. If I g…

>The linked article ....

The problem here is not journalism - it's people unable or unwilling to read correctly. The second sentence contains a link to the study [1] with all the information you need.

> Which is why almost no one reads that stuff

Yep, it is clear people don't read this stuff; many simply assume things instead.

When you fail to read an article then assume it's another example of your prior belief, especially if completely incorrect as in this case, you're simply creating a world view that is not the actual world.

[1] https://www.nber.org/papers/w30833

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Post by tlholaday »

gammarator wrote: post #161
bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #153

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Doesn't everyone wonder if they're the first immortal to be born?

I have found no evidence against it to date

Ahh, "immortality" strictly defined.

Mayhaps you have found evidence that you are not the earliest-born person to have eternal youth?

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