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Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by ajot »

onetrickwolf wrote: post #102
totetsu wrote: post #6

Its something to reflect on, that those small nonmainstream groups, communities, cultures that you might be a part of everyday are mostly completely empherial. Records of what people did and said are bound to be lost, noone is going to curate or summerise the history. I faced this when yahoo groups was deleted. I found many messgae boards of a the transient 'teaching abroad in japan' local communities from ten or mor…

I'd like to see something like torrenting for websites. Just a way that if a certain site is important to you, you could seed it yourself and 1. Help with the hosting costs and 2. Preserve it if the original hosts decides to take it down or change it.

Something like IPFS?

https://ipfs.tech/

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by rasz »

vlunkr wrote: post #39
monero-xmr wrote: post #8

Major franchises that have a lot of nerd crossover (marvel, Star Wars, etc.) keep a lot of influencers on the payroll as “advisors” or various types or consultants for events like this. Expect some mea culpas and some Twitter threads from respected people saying, “WotC made a terrible mistake but with the latest changes it’s better now.” Someone at corporate will take a public decapitation as the fall guy with a nice…

Do they really pay influencers? I’m skeptical. There seem to be a limitless supply of megafans who will defend the bad decisions of corporations because they’ve invested their personality in it, not because they’re getting paid.

I think one of the biggest documented cases was Microsoft being caught by FTC(a) for using ad agency thru Machinima to bribe content creators.

https://venturebeat.com/games/ftc-settles-with-machinima-for...

$15-30K payouts per every single video boasting shitty game (Ryse: Son of Rome) and upcoming Xbox One with explicit condition payments are not to be disclosed.

a/ Obviously penalty was saying "sorry we wont do it again" https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2015/09/...

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by sfmike »

snickmy wrote: post #76

Back in 1998, when I was a 12y old, I started a website about Magic. I was an italian kid that didn't know any english, with a pentium 2 and a cracked version of front page. fast forward 3 years from there, I was running the the biggest italian magic community with ~15k concurrent active users daily, with one of the biggest deployed use cased of a asp/access database (because hosts were charing a lot more for php+sql…

mtgox?

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by brookst »

batmanthehorse wrote: post #114
toast0 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Much like Star Wars fans have learned to put up with Disney's attempts to wring every last dollar out of the franchise. They're just continuing in George Lucas' footsteps. IMHO, either you accept the money grabs, or your acknowledge only the two films, Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back; even Return was money grubbing.

Lucas made 6 Star Wars movies in 30 years. That’s not even close to what Disney is doing.

Don’t forget the 39 different DVD releases, each one the most special and unique and definitive must-own version.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by karaterobot »

Yhippa wrote: post #40
rsync wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm imagining it's mostly text and images." You are almost certainly correct and, further, it is likely the text represents almost 100% of the value. There is no excuse for this buffoonish behavior. Just absurd.

My guess is that they saw a long tail of content that got infrequent page views and thought that the effort wasn't worth it to do a migration of all that content. People will feel an immediate theoretical loss but that they never did really access old articles so it wasn't a big loss and they'll move on.

> People will feel an immediate theoretical loss but that they never did really access old articles so it wasn't a big loss and they'll move on.

There's so much history that gets lost for that reason: it's ephemeral, and nobody misses it at the time. It's hard to get people to think about what historians 500 years from now will be frustrated by not knowing. There's no immediate profit in it, we don't view it as all that important right now, and it's slightly inconvenient, so it'll probably just be lost to history.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #118
Our_Benefactors wrote: post #3

WOTC doesn’t care about hardcore fans who have history with the franchise, they just care about creating limited run products to juice the fans. It’s been impossible to take the game seriously from a competitive standpoint for about the past decade where they’ve continued to move further and further from the block-core annual release cycle.

I wonder if WotC is failing to stay relevant in an era of increased entertainment. Back in the 90’s, we didn’t have streaming services and smart phones with dozens of apps. Hell social media barely existed (maybe MySpace was out then). Most households in America did not have internet. Video game consoles were just starting to gain traction, but were not nearly as ubiquitous as you see today. So trading cards were a s…

They love to claim “magic has more players today than ever before”, but given that this is measured across so many different domains of play, it feels like the paper community is basically dead by comparison.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by ascotan »

totetsu wrote: post #6

Its something to reflect on, that those small nonmainstream groups, communities, cultures that you might be a part of everyday are mostly completely empherial. Records of what people did and said are bound to be lost, noone is going to curate or summerise the history. I faced this when yahoo groups was deleted. I found many messgae boards of a the transient 'teaching abroad in japan' local communities from ten or mor…

I think that as technologists we tend to assume that people in the future will come and build on our work and make better things. However, we have by sad experience seen that, technology and information simply gets lost unless some effort was make to preserve it. We only build on the things that someone took time to preserve - everything else disappears.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by pdimitar »

Yet another proof that having `wget` to download websites, `git` to control for versions (what changed since last pull) (or restic/borg to do more of less the same) and/or host them somewhere is (a) extremely easy and (b) somehow mind-blowing to a lot of people who call themselves "technical" or even "programmers".

Weird. I get what not having time and energy is, I truly do, but if you cared so much about this community and its history, surely SOMEBODY will find the time AT LEAST ONCE and archive these precious bits of history?

I have a very and I really mean VERY benevolent spider bot -- we're talking from 2s all the way to 10s waiting between each link visit -- that crawls sites I care about weekly and does exactly that. The only thing I am worried about is if I can rely on my GIT hosting but I'll get to that at one point. I already have a NAS and everything goes in it, and everything on it gets deduplicated / compressed / encrypted and sent to several cloud storage services, but still, you never know.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by Cardinal7167 »

Our_Benefactors wrote: post #126
SamuelAdams wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if WotC is failing to stay relevant in an era of increased entertainment. Back in the 90’s, we didn’t have streaming services and smart phones with dozens of apps. Hell social media barely existed (maybe MySpace was out then). Most households in America did not have internet. Video game consoles were just starting to gain traction, but were not nearly as ubiquitous as you see today. So trading cards were a s…

They love to claim “magic has more players today than ever before”, but given that this is measured across so many different domains of play, it feels like the paper community is basically dead by comparison.

The paper community is certainly not dead, not at my game shop. However if they’re not careful they’re going to print themselves into a corner and then they’ll be just like Yu Gi Oh.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by rightbyte »

batmanthehorse wrote: post #114
toast0 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Much like Star Wars fans have learned to put up with Disney's attempts to wring every last dollar out of the franchise. They're just continuing in George Lucas' footsteps. IMHO, either you accept the money grabs, or your acknowledge only the two films, Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back; even Return was money grubbing.

Lucas made 6 Star Wars movies in 30 years. That’s not even close to what Disney is doing.

He made 5 right? Not the Empire Strikes Back.
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