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Post by sklargh »

Aeolun wrote: post #129
pdonis wrote: post #121

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> I'd assume that they could actually have a far larger market and profit by concentrating on scale rather than treating their products as luxury items I'm not sure that's true. The actual bottleneck with these games is not money but time and interest: you have to have a group of people who all like the same game, and you have to be able to get the group together regularly to play it. There are plenty of people who a…

I’m still holding out hope I’ll be able to have a D&D renneisance after I retire (or maybe when the kids are old enough).

You don’t need to wait. I run a group with a schedule specifically designed for parents of young children. (virtual, short sessions, immediately after bedtime). There are others!

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Post by panick21_ »

TimPC wrote: post #153
pdonis wrote: post #121

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> I'd assume that they could actually have a far larger market and profit by concentrating on scale rather than treating their products as luxury items I'm not sure that's true. The actual bottleneck with these games is not money but time and interest: you have to have a group of people who all like the same game, and you have to be able to get the group together regularly to play it. There are plenty of people who a…

I left the game as I got older. At the end of the day it just didn’t make sense to spend what magic cost if I could only play a few hours a week. It’s easy to spend over $3600/year on M:TG if you want to play competitively and that just doesn’t make sense to me if I’m getting roughly 100 hours of play in. I could do far better things with over $30/hour for hobbies.

I bought a bunch of cards and play Modern, I never need to buy anything new and I can play as much as I like.

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Post by __david__ »

hinkley wrote: post #124
vaylian wrote: post #48

A bit more context: * Wizards of the Coast (WoTC) has been tasked by Hasbro (which owns WoTC) to drastically increase profits over a few years. * WoTC has been aggressively increasing prices on Magic the Gathering (MTG) and drastically increased the diversity of products. This overwhelmed even people who follow and produce MTG news. Wallet fatique is rampant and people are disgruntled. * WoTC releases the 30th aniver…

Just turn the tap until blood comes out. > Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who know how to call together a group of people Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who have converted their campaign into 2 seasons on Amazon Prime. Just sit back and collect the checks for the free advertising.

> Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who have converted their campaign into 2 seasons on Amazon Prime.

I’m out of the loop. What does this refer to?

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Post by johnday »

wolverine876 wrote: post #148
johnday wrote: post #23

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Yep - not only is there no catch right now , but they literally can never add one. The SRD is released under CC-BY-4.0. The only point of contention is what happens to their new product, One D&D, which will probably retain some nasty payment structure, and almost certainly not be OGL'd. That's fine though - if they build a walled garden around One D&D, they simply won't be able to compete against the open community o…

> not only is there no catch right now, but they literally can never add one. The SRD is released under CC-BY-4.0. They can't change that particular SRD, but material not in the SRD can be changed as can new material. Also, as they leave the old OGL intact, it is a catch in itself: 1) It's generally restricts rights much more than grants them [0], and 2) WotC believes they can revoke it at any time.

Yep, everything not CC is still under the sword of Damocles. The good news is that the vast majority of players and third-party publishers are using 5e, so this announcement protects them forever. It would not be unexpected for them to use this as a way to dwindle support for OGL1.0a, but either way the state of affairs today is far, far better than a few days ago.

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Post by mixedCase »

__david__ wrote: post #223
hinkley wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just turn the tap until blood comes out. > Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who know how to call together a group of people Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who have converted their campaign into 2 seasons on Amazon Prime. Just sit back and collect the checks for the free advertising.

> Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who have converted their campaign into 2 seasons on Amazon Prime. I’m out of the loop. What does this refer to?

Critical Role, a web D&D show that has had its stories turned into animations. The one that has been released is named The Legend of Vox Machina, after their first campaign's troupe.

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Post by shagie »

__david__ wrote: post #223
hinkley wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just turn the tap until blood comes out. > Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who know how to call together a group of people Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who have converted their campaign into 2 seasons on Amazon Prime. Just sit back and collect the checks for the free advertising.

> Don't mess with Dungeon Masters who have converted their campaign into 2 seasons on Amazon Prime. I’m out of the loop. What does this refer to?

(some more background)

Critical Role is a bunch of voice actors who are geeks (said affectionally and consider that these are the people who were in the acting club and comedy sports back in high school... they're still geeks today) and get together and play D&D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Role - click the links to the cast and then look at the filmography. And they're fairly dedicated to playing ( https://youtu.be/Ou-0Lj-gOt8 )

They filmed/streamed their sessions and that has brought in a good chunk of money. They did a "let's try a kickstarter for doing it as an actual animation series" and had a $750k goal... and got $11M. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/criticalrole/critical-r... // https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/19/critical-role-vox-machina-ki...

> In March, the folks behind the “Dungeons and Dragons” webseries launched a Kickstarter campaign to create an animated special based on its first campaign. Within an hour of its launch, it raised more than $1 million in funding.

This is the reaction video to that first day on kickstarter - https://youtu.be/oAF2ZNcYBok

And it got made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Vox_Machina

And renewed for a second season... and a third season...

https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Vox-Machina-Season-Trailer/dp/...

And you can see that there is a lot of money there... but there's also a "these people have a sizable following and even those who are second hand consumers of D&D and don't sit down at a table are now aware of what is trying to be done to it."

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Post by darreninthenet »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #181
godelski wrote: post #109

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> The real problem is the managers at WoTC that don't really care about the games. They only care about money. I expect more bad things in the future. The same seems to be true with Games Workshop and I've never understood this. The products from both companies have huge markups (painted cards and pieces of plastic) and I'd assume that they could actually have a far larger market and profit by concentrating on scale…

Are there any “open source” games like Warhammer 40k worth playing where 3d printing miniatures is possible and encouraged?

Mantic Games Deadzone... it's not open source but they don't require you to use official models, the box comes with all the army lists, they don't change the rules every 10 minutes and the factions are all suspiciously... familiar (without breaking copyright) and you can just drop in most of your existing 40k miniatures

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Post by darreninthenet »

ethbr0 wrote: post #184
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #181

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Are there any “open source” games like Warhammer 40k worth playing where 3d printing miniatures is possible and encouraged?

Battletech generally has no official problem with proxies or alternate models.

And is a significantly superior game

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Post by michaelcampbell »

jbm wrote: post #60
michaelcampbell wrote: post #43

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> has enough self-awareness to have realized they were encroaching significantly on their core demographic. At least where I am in the US, the behavior of many corporations seems to indicate they... just don't give a shit. People will take what they can get, by and large, and as long as it makes the corporation money, they're willing to risk it. Who actually _likes_ not having a single register open at Wal Mart, Home…

A minor point, but I am grateful for the self checkout lanes — they have greatly speeded up my checkout, and w/ covid spiking I just want to leave asap. I have never seen "no" registers open though.

I don't mind the OPTION of self checkout, but not having the choice is a big fuck-you to the customers purely to make more millions of profit. At our local Wal Mart, they have registers for humans, but no humans are ever there. 100% do it yourself, with someone wanting to check your receipt. I never stop, if they want to see it's done right, hire someone to do it right.

Home Depot is getting to be that way, though you can go to the "professionals" checkout if you need human interaction, and they don't seem to mind us plebs doing so if there aren't contractors waiting. And they have the cust. svc. desk too.

Recently, our local grocery store has started a "no humans" checkout after some arbitrary time of day; I think ~17:00. This is 10x worse since there we tend to buy things that require human input; notably produce that isn't pre-wrapped and pre-priced and goes by the # for cost.

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Post by michaelcampbell »

gspetr wrote: post #69
michaelcampbell wrote: post #43

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> has enough self-awareness to have realized they were encroaching significantly on their core demographic. At least where I am in the US, the behavior of many corporations seems to indicate they... just don't give a shit. People will take what they can get, by and large, and as long as it makes the corporation money, they're willing to risk it. Who actually _likes_ not having a single register open at Wal Mart, Home…

>At least where I am in the US I am somewhat perplexed by that statement. Are you implying that there are major jurisdictions in the US where WotC wouldn't have been able to fully enforce compliance with their (originally) overly restrictive license?

>>At least where I am in the US

>I am somewhat perplexed by that statement.

I doubt that you are, honestly, and knew exactly that I meant "where I am, I am seeing evidence of corporations pushing profit to limits we haven't seen before".

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