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Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by rcxdude »

lisper wrote: post #73

I have never played MTG, never even read the rules (are there rules?) But I watched the video [1] linked from this text: > Whether it’s a crazy top-decked Lightning Helix... and listening to the play-by-play I swear to God I felt like I was watching a Simpsons parody of a geek convention. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, on idea what half the words meant, and no idea why everyone freaked out at the end. Ca…

In terms of the length of the rules, generally people don't read them all, especially not in the process of learning the game. The comprehensive rules are basically just a way to resolve disputes about exactly what happens in a given scenario, and the only people who will be familiar with the whole of it are judges at tournaments.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by j1elo »

> Wizards of the Coast announced these changes in an article dating back to November 2022.

"The Internet" collective was disappointing here. I am used to read the story of how, after an announcement like this, a lot of the users and archivist types would hurry to make a backup of the whole website when the parent company makes such claims. Surprising that it didn't happen.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by nerdponx »

lisper wrote: post #73

I have never played MTG, never even read the rules (are there rules?) But I watched the video [1] linked from this text: > Whether it’s a crazy top-decked Lightning Helix... and listening to the play-by-play I swear to God I felt like I was watching a Simpsons parody of a geek convention. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, on idea what half the words meant, and no idea why everyone freaked out at the end. Ca…

Don't be derisive of things that other people enjoy.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by iamacyborg »

pessimizer wrote: post #69
beebmam wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have plenty of friends who are emotionally and physically invested in MtG and they certainly want to hate WotC. People love to hate things, especially gaming communities, in my experience. Hating something invigorates a community. Game companies need to make serious plans to not anger their players.

Somehow, Games Workshop still thrives with a lot longer of a history of fan and customer abuse.

They’ve very much turned things around in that respect over the last few years though

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by williamcotton »

shostack wrote: post #27
monero-xmr wrote: post #8

Major franchises that have a lot of nerd crossover (marvel, Star Wars, etc.) keep a lot of influencers on the payroll as “advisors” or various types or consultants for events like this. Expect some mea culpas and some Twitter threads from respected people saying, “WotC made a terrible mistake but with the latest changes it’s better now.” Someone at corporate will take a public decapitation as the fall guy with a nice…

Between this and the recent attempt at looting the D&D community for all it's worth that horribly backfired ( https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/01/dd-maker-retreats-fro... ) what is there not to hate? As far as I'm concerned I'm done being charitable to them. They've never been fantastic, and Hasbro has clearly been demanding their dues forcing this. My biggest hope is the Magic community has a great open alternati…

> Between this and the recent attempt at looting the D&D community for all it's worth that horribly backfired (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/01/dd-maker-retreats-fro...) what is there not to hate?

I’ve been playing Magic since 1994 and I’m still an actively involved player and collector.

I could not give two shits about a marketing piece from a decade ago being removed from a website. Fight that hoarding instinct! You’ll survive without a closet of Duelist magazines from the 90s as well. We’re already hoarding 30 year old cardboard!

If anything I hate how much Magic players are constantly complaining.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by gpderetta »

blockwriter wrote: post #30
Our_Benefactors wrote: post #3

WOTC doesn’t care about hardcore fans who have history with the franchise, they just care about creating limited run products to juice the fans. It’s been impossible to take the game seriously from a competitive standpoint for about the past decade where they’ve continued to move further and further from the block-core annual release cycle.

My theory is that they also killed competitive magic due to the MeToo movement and the various other social causes that sprang up in the last 6 years. Wotc and its corporate parent cannot control who the winningest players are, and their old tournament structures more or less simply rewarded, and therefore promoted, those that did the best in tournament play. One individual, who frequently won or was in the running a…

They killed competitive magic because they didn't see a direct return of investment . Turns out that competitive play had second order positive effects on magic so they are tying to rollback on that a bit.

They tried with online league because they wanted a piece of the esport pile during peak esport hype. They failed completely.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by gpderetta »

pyuser583 wrote: post #34

Back in May/June of 2020, they scrubbed cars deemed racist. One card “Invoke Prejudice” corresponded to a URL that contained an obscure neo-Nazi symbol. Geek culture has a nasty side to it. Maybe they found more where that came from, or maybe they just didn’t want the press.

I don't know about URL, but the card had very blatant symbology and WOTC were rightfully ashamed of it.

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by goosedragons »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #4
Imnimo wrote: post #2

One piece of Magic history that is still well-preserved is the ancient usenet groups: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.deckmaster https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.magic.mi... The most recent posts are spam, but if you use the advanced search to go back to 1994/1995, it's fun to read about the way people looked at the game nearly 30 years ago. You can find people selling Black Lotuses (now wort…

Another piece of MTG history which, surprisingly, is still up and running (albeit very poorly): http://forums.magictraders.com/Ultimate.cgi Magic Online Trading League, or MOTL, is incredibly special to me. It was the premier place to discuss and trade MTG cards on the web in the year 2000. This is the first website I created an account on using the Internet. I was 11. I chose the name "Meowmix2.0" which slowly evolv…

TBF Hasbro bought WotC in 1999. They just didn't start milking it until a few years ago when they realized most of their money came from cardboard...

Re: Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history

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Post by kappuchino »

charcircuit wrote: post #75
sp332 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not that hard to get info taken down from IA if you are the site owner. Official blog from 2017 https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-sea... and more recent third-party blog with a survey of several ways to remove content (that you control) from Wayback https://blog.reputationx.com/block-wayback-machine

robots.txt only prohibits people from using the wayback machine to view the archive. The IA still has it archived. If someone later changes the robots.txt to something more permissive it will put back everything on the wayback machine.

Wrong. (If you know better than I please cite a credible source).

I requested to purge the archive from a domain I have since the former owner put semi legal crap there. Apart from robots text, I was asked to set up one specific page with a hash-like url to signal that I am really, really sure about the purge. Thats all that is needed.

The process is described here: https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-som...

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