One piece of Magic history that is still well-preserved is the ancient usenet groups: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.deckmaster https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.magic.mi... The most recent posts are spam, but if you use the advanced search to go back to 1994/1995, it's fun to read about the way people looked at the game nearly 30 years ago. You can find people selling Black Lotuses (now wort…
> You can find people selling Black Lotuses (now worth many thousands of dollars) for a few bucks. Yup, that was my friends. I was smart enough to preserve my cards. Sadly I don't know where I put the box with the preserved cards...
Magic the Gathering players lament the loss of 30-year history
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Between this and the recent attempt at looting the D&D community for all it's worth that horribly backfired ( https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/01/dd-maker-retreats-fro... ) what is there not to hate? As far as I'm concerned I'm done being charitable to them. They've never been fantastic, and Hasbro has clearly been demanding their dues forcing this. My biggest hope is the Magic community has a great open alternati…
It's very hard to do an open alternative to MTG. MTG's ecosystem is very closely tied to the economics of the physical cards driving the development and community (ie card shops.) Tools for playing magic without cards of course exist, but the vitality of the community depends on the constant refreshing of the environment tied to carefully balanced development.
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#73> Whether it’s a crazy top-decked Lightning Helix...
and listening to the play-by-play I swear to God I felt like I was watching a Simpsons parody of a geek convention. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, on idea what half the words meant, and no idea why everyone freaked out at the end. Can someone explain what happened without having to explain the whole game?
[UPDATE] OMG, yes, there are rules. Pages and pages and pages of them [2].
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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t0pzLnSWw0
[2] https://media.wizards.com/2022/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020...
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can find people selling Black Lotuses (now worth many thousands of dollars) for a few bucks. Yup, that was my friends. I was smart enough to preserve my cards. Sadly I don't know where I put the box with the preserved cards...
The cryto of the 80s and 90s. Cards.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I don't understand why they pulled everything off the wayback machine. Someone cannot--as in their request will be rejected--do that unless it's for pages that host personal information. Archives still there if you have the original URL*. The problem is, like in many other sites, every few years they move everything around. So you cannot just copy-paste the new URL and expect to find the copies available in the olde…
It's really not that hard to get info taken down from IA if you are the site owner. Official blog from 2017 https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-sea... and more recent third-party blog with a survey of several ways to remove content (that you control) from Wayback https://blog.reputationx.com/block-wayback-machine
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#76fast forward 3 years from there, I was running the the biggest italian magic community with ~15k concurrent active users daily, with one of the biggest deployed use cased of a asp/access database (because hosts were charing a lot more for php+sql).
Foreigners were running their own subforums on it, with the brazilian and french community being the biggest one.
I did suck at the game, but every time I was attending an event, every single person knew the website and had only nice things to say about it.
It was magical, I didn't know what I was doing, and I didn't realised what I achieve until very very long after. Me wanting to connect with people online on such a niche topic, and having to create a platform for it, started a personal learning chain reaction, that down the line allowed me to enter the tech world with ease.
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#78I have never played MTG, never even read the rules (are there rules?) But I watched the video [1] linked from this text: > Whether it’s a crazy top-decked Lightning Helix... and listening to the play-by-play I swear to God I felt like I was watching a Simpsons parody of a geek convention. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, on idea what half the words meant, and no idea why everyone freaked out at the end. Ca…
Craig is “chump blocking”—he’s getting attacked by strong creatures, and uses weak creatures to block them. The weak creatures (the “chumps”) die, and the strong creatures remain. This leaves him extremely vulnerable, but alive. The strong creatures can attack again next turn, and he will be even less able to block them because the creatures he used to block are now dead.
He has a spell called “Char” which deals 4 damage to a target creature or player and 2 damage to himself. This could be used to destroy the attacking creature, but destroying the creature won’t win him the game. At that moment, he is at 3 life, his opponent is at 7. After chump blocking, the opponent will be able to attack and win the game next turn.
Craig decides to Char the player, rather than targeting any creature. This brings his life total to 1 and the opponent to 3. It's then Craig’s turn (because he played Char at the end of his opponent’s turn). At the beginning of his turn he gets to draw a card. He draws a card that can deal 3 points of damage. (That card is Lightning Helix.)
It was exciting because it was a gamble. He could only win if the right card was on top of his deck, and therefore, it was the right move to play assuming that he had the right card. There’s a maximum of 4 copies of any card (except basic lands) in your deck, which must be at least 60 cards. By that math, you get 1:15 odds of drawing the right card here (undoubtedly the odds were not exactly 1:15 but some other number, based on however many cards were left in the deck and however many Lightning Helix were left). The commentary on the game was that this was the “only correct play”.
Edit: And he won $31,000. Second place was $16,000.
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#79Back in May/June of 2020, they scrubbed cars deemed racist. One card “Invoke Prejudice” corresponded to a URL that contained an obscure neo-Nazi symbol. Geek culture has a nasty side to it. Maybe they found more where that came from, or maybe they just didn’t want the press.
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#80Back in 1998, when I was a 12y old, I started a website about Magic. I was an italian kid that didn't know any english, with a pentium 2 and a cracked version of front page. fast forward 3 years from there, I was running the the biggest italian magic community with ~15k concurrent active users daily, with one of the biggest deployed use cased of a asp/access database (because hosts were charing a lot more for php+sql…
In Belgium it was the other way around. PHP and MySQL was cheap, anything Microsoft related was more expensive.