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The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Re: The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Post by ejb999 »

louison11 wrote: post #67
alexpotato wrote: post #43

This bugs me every time I read about free clinics and/or ER costs. It seems most Americans with limited or no healthcare is: 1. Go to the ER and pay $X000 2. Wait in line at a free clinic for 9+ hours and maybe/maybe not see a doctor This seems like a gigantic need for a middle ground to be filled. I know that CVS and WalMart have done things like the $60 Physician's Assistant visit at retail locations but that alway…

Even without insurance and without social security help, the cost of medical care in most of the world for the same services is dramatically lower. To give you an idea, I got an ECG (heart test), X-Ray and complete blood panel done at a local clinic here in Europe for 29 euros. The key to addressing what you’re pointing at is mostly fixing the scam that US college education has become. It’s the crazy tuition that get…

>>A doctor in the US makes BANK, like lawyer money,

As compared to what? someone that may or may not have gone to college, learned to code and now makes 400-700K per year working at a tech company?

I for one think doctors deserve to 'make BANK' and people creating apps to post cat or people dancing videos should make a whole lot less.

Re: The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Post by repiret »

mrguyorama wrote: post #70
repiret wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Others have pointed these things out individually, but I wanted to say them all in one place: An urgent care is well suited to needing a couple stitches or a cast. At the ER, you're also paying for: * A facility and staffing equipped to handle serious trauma and critical illness. * (In the US) A facility that legally cannot turn away people for inability to pay. Exacerbated by being in a national medical system where…

As an insured person, an urgent care costs the same as an ER visit and does less for me. My equally insured girlfriend had to pay several hundred dollars to an urgent care facility for a rapid strep and rapid covid tests, about $50 in a civilized country.

It may cost you the same. With my insurance, if I'm admitted to a hospital, the time I spend in the ER is free to me, but if I'm not admitted, I pay for the time I'm in the ER. That doesn't make ERs cheaper when you get admitted.

ERs are more expensive to operate then urgent care. Even when the ER is treating something that could be treated at an urgent care. That doesn't change just because some people's insurance hide that detail from them.

Re: The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Post by landemva »

MarkSweep wrote: post #71
louison11 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without insurance and without social security help, the cost of medical care in most of the world for the same services is dramatically lower. To give you an idea, I got an ECG (heart test), X-Ray and complete blood panel done at a local clinic here in Europe for 29 euros. The key to addressing what you’re pointing at is mostly fixing the scam that US college education has become. It’s the crazy tuition that get…

It’s not just the cost of college that limits the supply of doctors. There is an explicit limit on how many people can become doctors each year in the US: http://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/03/15/ama-scope-... In addition, in many states in the US you have to get permission to open a new medical facility: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need Often the people on the board own existing medical f…

To summarize, much of the price problem could be solved within each State.

Re: The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Post by __derek__ »

freedude wrote: post #62

For millennium churches did this for free. Many of the good ones still will give the person a meal and someone to listen to in addition to wise counsel. In a word people need Jesus.

It's unfortunate that your comment is buried because it's actually on-topic, as opposed to all the complaints about ERs and urgent care centers. Churches would traditionally be a place to take children in crisis (as in TFA), not emergency rooms.

Re: The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Post by freedude »

bell-cot wrote: post #90
kayodelycaon wrote: post #79

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Unfortunately, I've never seen a church do anything to help random people off the street. Finding a new church is difficult because everyone has their own cliches and you don't really get a chance to talk to people and know them on Sundays. People are busy and don't have time for people who aren't their friends.

> ...I've never seen a church do anything to help random people off the street... The Salvation Army is a church, admittedly not a huge one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army At least in cities I'm familiar with (mid-western US), things like charity for the homeless have become church specialties. Most churches in an area will not do it themselves - but instead provide volunteers/donations/etc. to supp…

In two of the cities I live near this is how it is done. There is an overarching organization of member churches and each of them contribute based upon their ability and volunteers available. In one city they have a separate location zoned commercial so they can have the commercial equipment they need onsite and take food to the locations. In the other the existing facilities were retrofitted.

Re: The ER has become a sanctuary for society’s unmet needs

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Post by dredmorbius »

mindslight wrote: post #68
yamtaddle wrote: post #34

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The military is our blue-collar/lower-class jobs program. Our healthcare system is our white-collar/middle-class jobs program.

Don't forget Wall Street! I guess that's the jobs program for the upper class. Honestly after many decades of technological growth, extreme offshoring, and the workforce nearly doubling due to women entering it, I'd estimate that 80% of positions are bullshit jobs.

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