Live data from Hacker News

PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

gizmodo.com

181–190 of 255 posts

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at wikipedia's top picture of the space shuttle. Far more respectable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle

Hooking it to the side of the main tank is now seen as a design flaw. The X-37 and the Starship being on top of a stack isn't an engineering accident.

Fine then, look at Artemis 1. It looks roughly like the Discovery rockets might have looked without the shuttle attached. You can stack your payload without making it overtly glans-shaped. We have the technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_1

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes when she took the job the stock was at $15 and sold it for $40. Granted much of the appreciation had nothing to do with Yahoo but I'm sure a worse executive would have messed up the Alibaba situation. She took a dying company, tried a couple of home run ideas which flopped and then effectively returned what value was left to the shareholders. There is no reason to think that Yahoo would have performed any better…

No reason to think it would be better under another CEO? She drove Yahoo into the ground with incredibly useless ideas like a new weather app that made them no money. Basically everything she tried completely flopped and she tanked the value of the company. What are you even talking about?

Tell me you're completely unfamiliar with all of the terrible CEOs Yahoo had before Mayer without telling me you're completely unfamiliar with all of the terrible Yahoo CEOS.

She inherited an absolutely untenable situation and yes, she failed, but given the atrocious track records of the previous five CEOs, she absolutely didn't do any worse and yes, she did at least get the company through the Alibaba IPO so that shareholders got that value.

Let's look at the tenure of her predecessors: * Jerry Yang: Founder who told Microsoft to fuck off when they offered $45b for a company that was in no way worth that. At least Microsoft didn't get saddled with that shit. Yang also managed to flub the entire Web 2.0 boom despite Yahoo being primely suited for that (and buying early Web 2.0 darlings like Flickr). A year after Yang rebuffed the deal, Yahoo's stock was 60% lower than Microsoft's offer. Truly, this is one of the worst CEO moves in history. Oh, he also turned down a deal to sell the search business for $20b.

* Carol Bartz: Came from Autodesk and had no idea what a consumer web company was like, traded in Yahoo's search stuff (and search deals) for Microsoft's stack (the same Microsoft that had offered to buy Yahoo's search business for $20b just six months earlier) but for very little upfront money and for a deal that was at the high level, only valued at $500m in revenue a year over ten years (which if you do the math, is half of what Microsoft had offered for the search business six months earlier). Didn't understand consumer products at all and let Mail, Flickr and the other acquisitions languish.

* Tim Morse - CFO who served as interim CEO while they found the next replacement. He tried unsuccessfully to sell Yahoo's ad business to Google or Microsoft.

* Scott Thompson - This joker was the OG George Santos, who got caught lying about his education on his resume (which, bro, you're trying to be CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, don't do this) and was fired in one of the most humiliating ways that I can ever recall seeing. He lasted 5 months and didn't achieve anything but making an embarrassment of himself and laying off 15% of the staff. Oh, and he sued Facebook over that ridiculous patent thing.

* Ross Levinsohn - The interim CEO who REALLY wanted the job for keeps but was just keeping the seat warm while the board did the executive search. He didn't do anything wrong per se, but there was a reason he wasn't chosen as CEO. He was a media guy, not a tech guy, and wouldn't have known how to handle what was still ostensibly a tech company. He later went on to lead a bunch of very bad (from a business perspective) media companies, most notably tronc. He's now head of a company that buys once-proud media brands that it licenses out for every dollar it can, killing the legacy and value of those brands along the way.

That's who you were looking at before. Was Marissa successful? Absolutely not. Yahoo spent a lot of money and made a lot of big swings but ultimately came up short. But at least she tried. At least she tried to invest in things like email, search, and content, areas that had the previous five leaders (I guess four is more fair, Ross didn't have a chance to do anything) focused on, the company might not have been in that position.

She also managed to keep things afloat and working so that the Alibaba IPO and Yahoo's stake in that could come to fruition. Given the caliber of the people who led the company before that and the shareholder activism and lawsuits happening before and during her tenure, she did probably as good as anyone in that situation could do.

The bottom line is that Yahoo was not a company that could be saved and she took on an impossible mission, but at least she tried. Yahoo's death warrant was signed in 2008 when Jerry Yang told Steve Ballmer to go fuck himself because he didn't consider $45b a high enough valuation for Yahoo (even tho the price offered per share was a significant premium over Yahoo at the time), mere weeks before Bear Stearns collapsed and the global financial crisis took hold (a position he continued to stick to for months, even when it was clear that the global economy in general was in big trouble).

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#183
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other shape do you suggest for a vehicle meant to escape Earth's gravity and reach space? I know it's not your main point, but every time I hear the "oh look at these nerdy space men playing with their phallic toys!" comment I get curious about the alternative.

> about the alternative A vulva, of course. https://whatisfeminism.today/spaceship/ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vulva-shaped-spaceshi... https://www.dezeen.com/2022/03/03/vulva-spaceship-design-aim...

That actually could be viable. First stage could fully envelop the second stage and eject it at the top of its arc before gliding back down for recovery and reuse.

A weird design, sure, but there have been weirder ones.

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#184

I'm really happy for her. Worst CEO has typically been a male dominated category. It's nice see some diversity in lacking empathy and having over inflated egos.

"East Timor's First Female Dictator Hailed As Step Forward For Women" - The Onion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEtw3XJoJrE

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> about the alternative A vulva, of course. https://whatisfeminism.today/spaceship/ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vulva-shaped-spaceshi... https://www.dezeen.com/2022/03/03/vulva-spaceship-design-aim...

That actually could be viable. First stage could fully envelop the second stage and eject it at the top of its arc before gliding back down for recovery and reuse. A weird design, sure, but there have been weirder ones.

Yeah, though I'm pretty sure that this "design fiction" (1) has more of a cultural point than an aerodynamic one.

but IMHO "lets make it it look _another sex organ_" doesn't really either break out of the existing cultural framing, or design primarily around the extreme engineering needs, which have to come before the cultural ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_fiction

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#186
post #32

If you're a line worker businesses, managers, and executives are not your friends. That might seem controversial to some, but to me it's just the pecking order. Executives usually take home large sums from these businesses for very little personal risk. Meanwhile, line workers are the ones that produce the product that earns them large sums in bonuses while sacrificing their time, energy, and often personal well-bein…

That's a very negative take on life. As a startup founder I pay myself less than our team members and work very long hours. (130 person company atm)

It's not negative, it's a perfect description of reality.

You are an outlier- the exception, not the rule.

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hooking it to the side of the main tank is now seen as a design flaw. The X-37 and the Starship being on top of a stack isn't an engineering accident.

Fine then, look at Artemis 1. It looks roughly like the Discovery rockets might have looked without the shuttle attached. You can stack your payload without making it overtly glans-shaped. We have the technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_1

get rid of the overly pointy LES and it pretty much looks like a dildo with SRBs to me.

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#188

About three years ago I was put in charge of improving incident response at a rapidly growing company. The previous iteration of that project had rolled out Pagerduty. I did a comparison between Pagerduty and OpsGenie with the latter being like 1/10 the cost of Pagerduty. There was no significant feature gap between the two and their sales team couldn't articulate one. At one point their sales guy told me they are po…

How big of a monthly op-ex cost are we talking about here? is it like 1% of sales?

If I remember correctly we were around 1,600 engineers in our org at the time and the yearly cost savings were around $100,000.

We saved a lot more on some other vendors, for instance I think we saved about $8 million with AWS but it was significant.

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But someone has to write and maintain those scripts - which costs money - exactly like OpsGenie - plus it distracts them from doing whatever the company needs which should be worth multiples on their time...

Someone has to manage the OpsGenie/PD configuration and business relationship, that doesn't come free.

> Someone has to manage the OpsGenie/PD configuration

If you build you're own system, someone still needs to do this part.

Maintaining a business relationship with OpsGenie is a very minimal effort.

Re: PagerDuty CEO Quotes Martin Luther King Jr. In Worst Layoff Email Ever

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HP "The Witch" Carly Fiorina is still the leader I'd say.

There was also Meg Whitman who ran multiple companies into the ground

CEO of Quibi should earn a lifetime achievement award in lighting money on fire.
Post reply on HN