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Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by ripe »

evanmoran wrote: post #127
warcher wrote: post #52

Can somebody explain to me the existential threat AI is posing to the search business? I am familiar with ChatGPT composing reasonable sounding answers to prompts. I get that I could type in "what's the best vacuum cleaner under $500?" or something like that, and both Google and ChatGPT could generate an answer for me. But I want the best, most accurate answer, not a set of banalities that a neural network has compos…

I'll give it go – Essentially the quality of the average website is declining due to poor incentives such as SEO optimization and content creation farms. Meanwhile, language models like ChatGPT are becoming more advanced. This presents a problem for Google, as ChatGPT will over time become more likely to provide accurate answers than a website search. Additionally, many websites will begin using ChatGPT to generate l…

But doesn't ChatGPT consume the same Internet as Google does? Including junk websites? The current release of ChatGPT is just old and out of date.

Google could use the same criteria as ChatGPT to filter the input. Then why would search be any worse?

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by b7we5b7a »

Karunamon wrote: post #92
_jab wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting - haven't heard of Kagi before but I looked them up and I can definitely see how a subscription-funded search engine leads to a better incentive structure. But can you provide qualitative examples of how your experience has been better than on Google?

- Result relevance seems on par with Google about five years ago. Very rare that I need to go past page 1. - Advanced search operators actually work. When you quote something it actually searches for that exact string, when you minus something it actually excludes it. - Categorization in the search results; for instance all of the low signal listicles can be segregated into their own section. - Image search that is n…

Agree with this, 100%.

Have been using Kagi since the invite phase. The moment they opened up and switched to subscription, I immediately subscribed (you'll run out of the free quota in ~3-4h - 50 searches per month).

Paying 10$/mo for something you do hundreds of times a day, and getting consistently better results than Google, Bing or DDG, doesn't seem too much to me. I happily gave up D+ subscription to have Kagi instead. It's very rare for me to have to scroll past for the first 5 results with Kagi. With the other search engines, nowadays I can't find anything relevant in the first page.

And they have an actual Roadmap: https://kagifeedback.org/roadmap

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Tagbert wrote: post #150
lordnacho wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use search for coding a lot, and lately I've noticed it's hard to find what I'm after. If I'm looking for some small thing like what an sftp command looks like, I don't want an SEO essay about why SSH is great and we should all use encryption. I just want the example line. This seems to be what ChatGPT can give me. It doesn't always work, but it also doesn't beat around the bush.

Until ChatGPT starts giving you responses crafted from those SEO sites.

GPT is probably crafting those sites and like has been for a while now

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by smegger001 »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95
smegger001 wrote: post #81

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that only works if people A) still trust the underlying currency and B) you don't create hyperinflation. What happens in the future when the global economy isn't denominated in petrodollars?

Our government printed 10% of GDP as debt to hand out to people for doing nothing. This is almost the epitome of Monopoly money. The worst that happened was 10% inflation - which is a FAR cry from hyperinflation. We had negative real rates for a decade before Covid - and the worst that happened was ~7% home price appreciation. We're not going to get anything resembling "hyper" unless this country basically becomes an…

Thats because the rest of the world need US dollars to buy fuel. We and as such we have the defacto world currency. But that is changing, every years green renewable energy makes up a higher proportion world energy and we use less carbon based fuel requireing out currency less and less. Secondly we are seeing other world powers build out the infrastructure for international banking denominated in other currencies to avoid the US banking regulation and sanctions. at some point the Dollar wont have the level of utility and dominance that to allows the US to do that sort of currency manipulation without consequences.

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

smegger001 wrote: post #164
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our government printed 10% of GDP as debt to hand out to people for doing nothing. This is almost the epitome of Monopoly money. The worst that happened was 10% inflation - which is a FAR cry from hyperinflation. We had negative real rates for a decade before Covid - and the worst that happened was ~7% home price appreciation. We're not going to get anything resembling "hyper" unless this country basically becomes an…

Thats because the rest of the world need US dollars to buy fuel. We and as such we have the defacto world currency. But that is changing, every years green renewable energy makes up a higher proportion world energy and we use less carbon based fuel requireing out currency less and less. Secondly we are seeing other world powers build out the infrastructure for international banking denominated in other currencies to…

So how come Europe could do the same thing and the UK and Canada, and they each also only saw 10% inflation?

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by lordnacho »

b212 wrote: post #158
lordnacho wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use search for coding a lot, and lately I've noticed it's hard to find what I'm after. If I'm looking for some small thing like what an sftp command looks like, I don't want an SEO essay about why SSH is great and we should all use encryption. I just want the example line. This seems to be what ChatGPT can give me. It doesn't always work, but it also doesn't beat around the bush.

That is odd, what exactly were you looking for? In my case Google results are still top notch. Sometimes I search for SO question every X years and I’m always able to find it easily.

Pretty much any minor thing like what does some syntax look like. I get both SEO essays and StackOverflow copycat sites.
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