ChatGPT is the bell announcing the death of anonymity on the web. Anonymous content will be generated content, real discussion will shift to gated communities with either paywalls or proofs of identity.
ChatGPT and the Enshittening of Knowledge
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#112If you think of the knowledge base of the internet as a living thing, ChatGPT is a like a virus that now threatens its life. This is the same process SEO spam caused for search - it hampers the nature by which things function and the river needs to reroute (pagerank then usage metadata) to replace the lost signal. ChatGPT is more of an existential threat because it will propagate to infect other knowledge bases. Luke…
I am not sure, if the situation is that dramatic, but just wait, until advertisers finds a way to get their "data" into ChatGPT results (or alike).
Then things will get really ugly.
So yes, this is what we will have to do:
"All signs point to this strengthening the value of curation and authenticated sources. "
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
>And worse, then ChatGPT will digest its own excrement, worsening its own results further I wonder if we'll get a "dead sea effect" with AI, I've seen some stuff saying they've basically run out of high quality training data and now the training pool will get poisoned by AI generated shit. Basically garbage in, garbage out and these large language models might not be able to improve
Maybe, but there are something like 700,000 books published on average each year, and almost 2 million scientific journal articles. Let's not even consider newspaper. Of course, some of those books will definitely be AI generated or garbage quality, and we all know many of those journal articles can be worth less than the paper they're printed on. Yet even if we cut it down to 100,000 books and half a million scienti…
Humans are capable of producing intelligently sounding word salads just like chatgpt can.
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#114Not really sure if this is supposed to be the joke, but your link just redirects me to google
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Were going to have shady agencies in 5 years advertising: "get ChatGPT to respond to questions with your content for only $199"
“Detect ChatGPT responses, only $249” It’s just a new chapter in the arms race of spam techniques vs detection. Lots of money presumably made selling both sides.
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#116If you think of the knowledge base of the internet as a living thing, ChatGPT is a like a virus that now threatens its life. This is the same process SEO spam caused for search - it hampers the nature by which things function and the river needs to reroute (pagerank then usage metadata) to replace the lost signal. ChatGPT is more of an existential threat because it will propagate to infect other knowledge bases. Luke…
> ChatGPT is a like a virus that now threatens its life. Perhaps something needs to be disrupted. The Internet is nothing like what it was 20 years ago, It turned into a bunch of social media walled gardens and SEO spam. ChatGPT is like fresh air because it can actually answer questions in a no-nonsense way without users having to scroll through 5-6 spam websites, paywalls, and crappy user interfaces to get an answer…
ChatGPT as a service that can be used to mislead us to trick us out of our money on the behalf of megacorps, like the entire rest of the Web has become? To "promote" things to us against our interests? Meh. Call me when it's mine and will obey me and will never lie to me or serve someone else's priorities over mine, and I'll be interested.
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#117“It knows everything. It’s smart. It’s smarter than you!”
What a crackpot, talking about stuff he doesn’t understand for clicks. Sadly it works for the lowest common denominator
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#118Guessing based off the `wp_footer` class you have in there. Much better solution than 302 to Google.
Re: ChatGPT and the Enshittening of Knowledge
#119If you think of the knowledge base of the internet as a living thing, ChatGPT is a like a virus that now threatens its life. This is the same process SEO spam caused for search - it hampers the nature by which things function and the river needs to reroute (pagerank then usage metadata) to replace the lost signal. ChatGPT is more of an existential threat because it will propagate to infect other knowledge bases. Luke…
The way I see it is that ChatGPT isn't the only tool out there that can create spam and junk content. The only difference is that ChatGPT produces something that's of a high enough quality that it's not as easy for a human to easily classify it as spam. And something you can't easily classify as spam arguably isn't spam.
If you assume that those incentivised to create spam today are creating spam anyway and all ChatGPT will do is allow spammers to create better spam then I don't see why the quality of content online would necessarily drop because of ChatGPT - you might actually find that what was once just spam is actually kinda interesting all of a sudden.
But it's not just the quality of AI spam that will increase with ChatGPT... Consider BuzzFeed... Arguably they're just paying people to write trash content today. And this is very common. Most companies have a blog where they pay someone to write mostly junk content just for SEO. I think ChatGPT might actually produce higher quality content that what is currently being written at places like Buzzfeed and on junk blogs. Or at least these workers now have a tool to write something that's higher quality.
I think the only way you're correct is if ChatGPT were to greatly increase the incentive to publish spam, resulting in a much greater amount of spam that counteracts the positive improvement in spam quality. And although I think it probably will increase the number people producing spam content to some extent I doubt it will have a net-negative impact.
Finally, I think what you'll see happen in future iterations of ChatGPT to improve quality and accuracy is that content will be fed in weighted by how authoritative the source is. This spam singularity that some are predicting, where the prior generation of spam bots produce the content that trains future generations of spam bots makes no sense given these companies are trying to create AI that doesn't just spit out spam and inaccurate information.
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#120I also don’t buy these arguments of the form, 1. OpenAI’s public ChatGPT app is often factually inaccurate. 2. ChatGPT is an example of a ML system bootstrapped on web crawled text data. 4. Thus, the long term future of our distributed text-encoded knowledge base will be a cesspool of useless gobbledygook.
ChatGPT is a step forward in generative language modeling. It doesn’t preclude the development of other future systems to help us verify factual accuracy of claims, likely much better than humans can. We’ll be ok gang:)