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Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by mst »

kkihara wrote: post #25

As much as I loved Ender's Game when I read it the first and subsequent times, I lost all respect for the man and his works after finding out what a homophobe Orson Scott Card is. He's so full of hate.

A good friend of mine discarded his entire Pratchett collection after the author came out in support of assisted suicide.

Personally, I find myself sympathetic to Pterry's morals in the case in question and unsympathetic to Card's in the case in question; but in neither case do I particularly see the point of linking the author's values and one's appreciation of their work.

However, if you really do feel that strongly, I'd suggest taking the approach my friend did - donating all of his works that you own to a library on the principle that his own personal disagreements with the author were much less important than enabling people to read books full stop.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by mst »

smhinsey wrote: post #9
chc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it'll detract much at all. The war with the buggers is essentially a MacGuffin. (Spoilers ahead for anyone who's managed to miss this for the past few decades.) The real heart of the story is in the stuff that happens to Ender at Battle School, his evolution from innocent child to military genius to embittered pacifist and his relationships with the other characters. The twist ending is great because of…

You could be right. It's been a long time since I read it but I recall thinking, when I finished it, that I was glad for the twist ending because it gave much needed weight to the rest of the story. This might just be due to the fact that I've read many other hawk-turns-dove stories in other contexts, so my bar for them is high (e.g. If I Die in a Combat Zone).

I re-read it over christmas. I'd note that firstly, I don't believe Ender was ever truly a hawk, and secondly, on a re^n-read (I don't remember how many times now) I find that the weight is in Ender's progression through Battle School, and that the part of the book set after that felt to me like obvious consequences playing out.

To be frank, I'd be quite comfortable with a version that ended on the shuttle out except for the fact that the remainder of the book is necessary to set up the preconditions for Speaker.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by redthrowaway »

Harkins wrote: post #29
thesash wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original quartet is epic, Xenocide and Children of the Mind get a little bit off the cuff, but I really like them. Even the first few in the "Shadow" series were ok, but then quality dropped off. Now there are dozens of books set in the universe.

The fairly magic particles in Xenocide are based on Mormon theology, so if that's not compelling to you, the exposition of same in CotM is going to be pretty boring.

The moral philosophy espoused throughout the series, namely, the primacy of intention, is heavily influenced by OSC's Mormonism. At least, that's what I remember reading in an interview. I am by no means an expert on Mormonism, so I would defer to anyone better informed than I on that matter.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by redthrowaway »

jjcm wrote: post #3

The cast looks great, but I'm honestly not sure about Gavin Hood. His XMen movie was fairly campy, and there will be a lot of pressure to do the same with the Ender's Game movie. I have my doubts.

Yeah, I'm hoping this doesn't turn into a Star Trek-esque prolonged battle in space. Ender's Game is a character-driven story; let's hope the movie is as well.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by geori »

thesash wrote: post #11

I am going to tirelessly promote this movie because it is one of my favorite books from when I was a kid, but even more so because I really want to see the sequel, Speaker for the Dead, get made into a movie. Speaker for the Dead is a much more mature, thought provoking book, in which a grown up Ender struggles to come to terms with his actions from the first book. Speaker won both the Hugo and the Nebula awards, and…

I loved speaker of the dead. Ender's Game was a quicker read and will make a more compelling movie, but Speaker is much deeper and compelling. You really have to grapple with the implications of first (and second) contact.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by laxatives »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #38
jjcm wrote: post #3

The cast looks great, but I'm honestly not sure about Gavin Hood. His XMen movie was fairly campy, and there will be a lot of pressure to do the same with the Ender's Game movie. I have my doubts.

I like the XMen movie. However, the OP says Steinfeld plays Petra Arkanian, Ender's trusted right hand. As I remember it, Bean was Ender's trusted right hand. Petra was an anchor for Ender's humanity, but it was Bean that was the real military genius, and actually made everything work . So I'm concerned about how well the movie will reflect the books. And BTW, contrary to other here, I didn't enjoy the second book, a…

I'm optimistic Bean could be a minor character, and then get more screen time in an Ender's shadow sequel. Ender's Shadow was definitely my favorite in the series

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by goodweeds »

I received this email from Hattrack today:

Want to Be in Battle School? Open Casting Call for Extras in New Orleans This Weekend

Ender's Game open casting call being held at the Hilton Garden Inn located in the Warehouse District of New Orleans on Saturday, January 14th from 11am to 3pm.

Alexis Allen, along with Batherson Casting, are seeking bright and talented kids and teens ages 10-17 of varying ethnic background for the feature film production of Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game"; based on one of the most famous science fiction novels of the last 40 years.

The film stars Harrison Ford, Asa Butterfield, Hailee Steinfeld and Abigail Breslin. Oscar-winning Director Gavin Hood will be filming Ender's Game in New Orleans from February until June 2012, providing those selected with up to 8 weeks of work.

To be considered, please come to the open call this weekend, located at the address below between 10am and 2pm

Hilton Garden Inn 1001 South Peters St New Orleans 70130

Please also bring a recent snapshot of yourself. Homeschooled students are especially encouraged, because of the work during school hours.

Please visit this site at www.hatrack.comhttp://www.hatrack.com>www.hatrack.com;

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by megablast »

darien wrote: post #17

"Set in Earth's utopian future..." If I recall correctly, the earth society and government was actually pretty dystopian. Does that mean that Hollywood is altering the story for the worst??

One man's dystopia, is another man's utopia, you just have to look at SOPA.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie happening

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Post by scarmig »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #33
nilchameleons wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be perfectly honest, that's a great way of describing how he feels about homosexuals (or anyone that breaks his heteronormative ideals). More importantly, though, making an incredibly inane distinction over how much he hates a group of people misdirects readers from the fact that OSC has some incredibly harmful views on society that should not be tolerated.

Ugh. Whatever happened to "I don't agree with what you have to say, but I will fight for your right to say it?" that has made America great? Is it so quickly forgotten? If he's a jerk and he's wrong and you think he's overrated or should be boycotted, you know, go ahead and say so, but "should not be tolerated"? That's the language of "they belong in jail or Siberian labor camps".

I think it's a bit of a stretch to read "threaten personal or state violence on" in "should not be tolerated."

He's entitled to say his opinion, but he can't prevent me from saying he's a bigot.

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