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Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

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Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#101
pg, if you're going to blackout, could you try advocating Internet Freedom alongside going dark against the SOPA as a way to show HN wishing to have Internet Freedom to do business?

It would also show that there's a technologically advanced audience here that has great concerns of the anti-Internet attempts.

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#103

I wanted to vote no, because it seems so Pyrrhic, maybe a little gimmicky: "See, we shut down a site you don't use!" But if you're asking people to make a sacrifice you're not willing to make yourself, you're a bad leader, period. I'm not saying HN is the bastion of the tech world. But if we're upvoting the Reddit shutdown (at least I did), and we can't turn around and do it ourselves, well, we're not made of very to…

Pragmatically speaking, maybe YC could come up with a statement threatening to move businesses outside the US to circumvent some of the provisions of the law. Shutting down HN - i doubt any congressman is in here to notice. In any case i could use a daily detoxification, so yes.

p.s. Pyrrhic is not the right word, maybe futile

Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show, don't tell . For most viewers, just showing a notice explaining SOPA will be too abstract. Shutting down your site or service, while putting up a notice, has a higher chance of bringing the point home.

I think you got it backwards. Just displaying a notice is "telling." Actually shutting down is "showing" by doing.

In case it wasn't clear from my previous post: we're in agreement. Show, by taking content and services down. Tell, by putting up an explanation of SOPA and what folks can do to stop it.

Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#105
post #101

pg, if you're going to blackout, could you try advocating Internet Freedom alongside going dark against the SOPA as a way to show HN wishing to have Internet Freedom to do business? It would also show that there's a technologically advanced audience here that has great concerns of the anti-Internet attempts.

I think our blackout says more if we ask for just one thing.

Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#106
At the very least, make a very visible note of it - change the background to black and include a top bar with some information/links on the matter.

It might still have an effect that sites, small or not, are all affected, so the long tail so to speak can have its own effect.

Something similar was brought up at reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA/comments/obl5l/ask_rsopa_is_the....

Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#108

1) The more sites decide to shut down on the 18th, the easier it becomes for major websites like Google, Twitter, and Facebook to join. It also increases the chances that this is going to be covered by the mainstream media. 2) Perhaps a blackout will give some HNers the final push (and time) to make some phone calls to their representatives. 3) It can serve as a demonstration of what the web will be like if SOPA kick…

FWIW, I think if Google, Twitter, and/or Facebook joined, they'd just put up custom messages (maybe with a link?) to an anti-SOPA page. Of course, the question is, how do they define their political neutrality after this?

Google has a decent (not perfect) track record of arguing in support of free speech around the world. They're not politically neutral.

Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#109

I wanted to vote no, because it seems so Pyrrhic, maybe a little gimmicky: "See, we shut down a site you don't use!" But if you're asking people to make a sacrifice you're not willing to make yourself, you're a bad leader, period. I'm not saying HN is the bastion of the tech world. But if we're upvoting the Reddit shutdown (at least I did), and we can't turn around and do it ourselves, well, we're not made of very to…

I don't think it's gimmicky at all. There's a very real threat that SOPA or whatever comes after that will de juro or de facto allow old media to end the internet as we know it.

Blacking out sites ahead of that only helps illustrate to people the harm the law will do.

Re: Poll: Do you think HN should go dark in protest of SOPA?

#110

I wanted to vote no, because it seems so Pyrrhic, maybe a little gimmicky: "See, we shut down a site you don't use!" But if you're asking people to make a sacrifice you're not willing to make yourself, you're a bad leader, period. I'm not saying HN is the bastion of the tech world. But if we're upvoting the Reddit shutdown (at least I did), and we can't turn around and do it ourselves, well, we're not made of very to…

Pragmatically speaking, maybe YC could come up with a statement threatening to move businesses outside the US to circumvent some of the provisions of the law. Shutting down HN - i doubt any congressman is in here to notice. In any case i could use a daily detoxification, so yes. p.s. Pyrrhic is not the right word, maybe futile

The expression "Pyrrhic victory" is also used to describe a triumph of little consequence. I'd say the way GP used it is correct. If you unroot a tree in a forest with your bare hands, but there's no one around to see it, will you get applause?

Edit: Blah, I couldn't find any sources to back up my earlier statement. It's just how I've often used the phrase. My bad, I stand corrected.

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