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Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by sdfhbdf »

gpt5 wrote: post #172
papruapap wrote: post #159

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"(and almost entirely - warehouse/logistics)" any source for that claim?

You'll need to some some algebra + this source https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/our-workforce-dat... Global workforce as of end of 2021: 44.8% women, 55.2% men Only field and customer support: 48.3% women, 51.7% men Corporate Employees: 32.8% women, 67.2% men you get the following two equations: 44.8% (global_women) = corp_employees * 32.8% + field_employees * 48.3% 55.2% (global_men) = corp_employees * 67.…

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Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by wyclif »

prox wrote: post #148
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #117

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I’m not sure I believe that. It honestly sounds like an excuse to fire people. Or leadership has no clue. The biggest thing I got from the pandemic is flexible work arrangements. But I and everyone I knew all wanted to get back out there. Just not back out on public transport to work. We were doing things online because there was no other option. But once the borders opened and restrictions eased, everyone did what t…

Tech also depended a lot on the zero interest backed money from investors. Now that interest is up, money costs money, so the situation as changed as well.

This is precisely the case and it's what is so often missing from the jobs analysis.

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by Lutger »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #117
tyre wrote: post #43

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Depends on the company but yes. Stripe, as an example, drastically slowed down hiring when the pandemic hit expecting an economic slowdown. It then turned out that so much commerce moved to online—rather than stopped—so they ramped up hiring to meet demand. The bet that companies like Shopify and Stripe [1] made was that COVID created a “new normal”; much of the economic activity that went online would stay there. Th…

I’m not sure I believe that. It honestly sounds like an excuse to fire people. Or leadership has no clue. The biggest thing I got from the pandemic is flexible work arrangements. But I and everyone I knew all wanted to get back out there. Just not back out on public transport to work. We were doing things online because there was no other option. But once the borders opened and restrictions eased, everyone did what t…

I never wanted to commute. Not in busy trains and certainly not getting stuck in traffic jams. I also never wanted to shop or spend time in the supermarket getting spaced out by their weird lightning they install to make you make bad decisions.

I do want to visit friends, go out in nature and once in a while eat at a restaurant. But for me, I am so happy to wfh 80% of the time and do 99% of shopping and groceries online, that has certainly stuck. And while I am a bit more of a recluse than most people I know, almost everybody is happy to work from home at least some of the time and does far more online shopping than before the pandemic.

Maybe this varies between countries. Or social circles. I certainly see a lot traffic again so people do like to move around again and get stuck in traffic jams a lot, but something _has_ changed for at least _some_ people. A couple of years ago working from home was unheard of, now a company seems out of touch if they don't allow it at all.

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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ipaddr wrote: post #69
desro wrote: post #53

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Curious about where you source any Fair Trade silicon you might be using?

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Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by ilyt »

sdfhbdf wrote: post #181
gpt5 wrote: post #172

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You'll need to some some algebra + this source https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/our-workforce-dat... Global workforce as of end of 2021: 44.8% women, 55.2% men Only field and customer support: 48.3% women, 51.7% men Corporate Employees: 32.8% women, 67.2% men you get the following two equations: 44.8% (global_women) = corp_employees * 32.8% + field_employees * 48.3% 55.2% (global_men) = corp_employees * 67.…

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Not really, they probably are put as man or woman in this data

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by swores »

kergonath wrote: post #160
gsatic wrote: post #120

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Yup its just that they have become the largest seller of status signalling veblan goods in history, in times where inequality is at its highest. It would be nice instead, if they used their cash hoard to stop wasting time upgrading the iphone with more superficial shit. Bring prices of the phones down to 50 bucks. Put it in the hands of everyone. And kill the toxic advertising supported attention economy that has cau…

> Bring prices of the phones down to 50 bucks. Put it in the hands of everyone. A $50 reduction on a $1000 price tag won’t “put it in the hands of everyone”. People who cannot afford it still won’t and it won’t change anything to people who can. $50 over the life of a device is nothing. Besides, that’s what previous generations are for: usability is pretty much identical to the latest and greatest, and the discount i…

You misread their suggestion, which was to bring it down TO $50 not BY $50 (ie a $950 reduction on a $1000 product).

Though easy to see how you read it that way as their way isn't remotely realistic.

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by IMTDb »

kennywinker wrote: post #79
anchpop wrote: post #74

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Who lost? Everyone who got laid off wouldn't have had at a job at all if they weren't hired, and they probably got severance packages for more than the average American makes in a year.

> Everyone who got laid off wouldn't have had at a job at all if they weren't hired Maybe I've been lucky, but every time I've been looking for a job I've had AT LEAST two options. People move cities, sell houses, buy houses, give up apartments, plan their finances, and plan their career around their job all the time. Investing a year learning the ropes at a company, finding ways to fit into the structures, etc. only…

> Maybe I've been lucky, but every time I've been looking for a job I've had AT LEAST two options.

You got many offers precisely because a lot of companies were (over)hiring. And the fact that you had many options on the table allowed you to get a better compensation (either because you negotiated, or because everyone else did so the industry standard increased). You benefitted from these hiring binges.

When that was the case, I saw a grand total of 0 complains by tech workers that tech companies were hiring too much; it benefitted them immensely but that did not translate in any article praising CEO for taking these risks.

Could these companies keep on these workers ? Many can ! But a hallmark of good governance is having a budget and taking care of your expenses. At your household level, you can probably afford to pay for Netflix, Disney+, HBOMax and Amazon prime at the same time. And maybe you did during COVID because you were watching TV more. But now that you are back to doing more "real life" things, you maybe don't need them all. It's not that you risk being evicted because you can't pay rent; you are probably still saving a bit of money every month. But that is not a reason to not ask yourself "do I really need these all now ?" and if the answer is negative, to do something about it like cutting one or two. What is someone then told you "But look, you can currently afford all these streaming services ! You should keep paying for them all for as long as you can, and since you have them, make sure you reorganise your life to schedule some time to watch them all !".

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

ulfw wrote: post #68
joadha wrote: post #2

It may have been worth it for the author to mention that Apple is sitting on the biggest pile of cash in the known universe.

As if Google was on the verge of bankruptcy... Microsoft, Google, Apple all have enormous amounts of cash stored thanks to their fantastic earnings for so many years.

>Microsoft, Google, Apple all have enormous amounts of cash stored thanks to their fantastic earnings for so many years.

Your earnings are fantastic until they suddenly aren't and then by that time, it's too late to turn the ship around on all the mistakes that lead to it. Just ask Nokia or Kodak.

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by blippage »

webwielder2 wrote: post #10

Apple is a generally more well run, mature, patient, and scrupulous company than most others.

I've thought about this, and I agree, and I'm no lover of any of the FAANGs. It makes Apple look like they know what they're doing, whilst the others are just following others and going in and out with the tide. I think it all boils down to Tim Cook. Tim always seemed analytical and strategic in his thinking, and Apple's behaviour in this matter only serves to underscore that. As an operational guy, I think Tim is the best that any company has ever seen.

Re: Apple: The only big tech giant going against the job cuts tide

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Post by thexumaker »

gpt5 wrote: post #172
papruapap wrote: post #159

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"(and almost entirely - warehouse/logistics)" any source for that claim?

You'll need to some some algebra + this source https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/our-workforce-dat... Global workforce as of end of 2021: 44.8% women, 55.2% men Only field and customer support: 48.3% women, 51.7% men Corporate Employees: 32.8% women, 67.2% men you get the following two equations: 44.8% (global_women) = corp_employees * 32.8% + field_employees * 48.3% 55.2% (global_men) = corp_employees * 67.…

ty for actually doing the math. Saying Amazon only hired warehouse workers as part of their headcount doubling was completely bs. Their new grad pipeline alone probably accounted for more than 5-10k hires during that period(Assuming ~20% corp_employees and ~780k new hires.
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