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Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by MaxDPS »

zone411 wrote: post #133
Sebb767 wrote: post #109

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> While it's true that they are late in getting something like ChatGPT to market Are they? ChatGPT is by all means a loss leader; I don't see why Google would need a halo AI product right now.

Google is a public company so its shareholders want the stock price to be higher ASAP. Being an unquestionable leader in AI with a product as good as ChatGPT (and maybe an image model available to the public) would help in that goal.

I really don’t think it would. Google is already number #1 in search. OpenAI is quoting a ~$40 price per month for ChatGPT Pro right? That’s not an insignificant cost for 99% of the population. I don’t see how it makes sense for Google to release something until they actually need to.

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by dnissley »

pseudo0 wrote: post #148
dragonwriter wrote: post #144

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> A lot of artists are migrating towards the "patron" model If ad revenue shrinks, making ads less useful for them (or even if not, given the patronage trend) why wouldn’t Google just enable the patronage model as a monetization model within YouTube, unencumbered by concerns for ad-based (or general audience) monetization. Going to a three-tier (1) free/nonmonetized, (2) premium (with or without ads as an alternative…

Google has already created channel memberships, where the channel can offer perks like member-only content in exchange for additional payment to the channel owner. It certainly looks like an attempt to squeeze out Patreon and similar services. The catch is that Google gets a 30% cut, compared to 3-5% for Patreon and such. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7491256

To be fair Patreon's pricing is somewhat complicated. By their own admission their cut is 5-12%

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by hdisllcn »

ipython wrote: post #143
jamie_ca wrote: post #134

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Yeah, the 1000 fans thing can totally work, depending on what your market looks like. $10/mo * 1000 is $120k/yr, which is a perfectly reasonable stable base from which to pursue a creative career (music, art, indie game dev, writing). And if you can make it to 1000, it's pretty easy to make it to 2000, and then more - of course just getting to that 1000 can be a long slow challenge to be sure.

That is a lot of money for one creator to command per month. I can’t imagine spending $120/yr just for one YouTubers content.

Twitch has proven that millions of people are willing to pay 5$ or more* a month to support someone else for essentially no extra benefits

*Excluding the more expensive subscriptions, donations, “bits”

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by quitit »

jchw wrote: post #14

Google is probably screwed without it. Even if ad-tech isn't exactly a bubble, I strongly believe it is overvalued even still. Furthermore, the product that made their name is thoroughly lost. I dread Google Search today. If I found something on Google yesterday, I have no idea if I'll be able to locate it through the sea of blog SPAM and SEO garbage tomorrow. Google web search strongly favors big websites when somet…

You raise an excellent point about Googling.

By the way sites like Pinterest, dominate Google results, a stranger would incorrectly believe that it is some kind of key "go to" website of the internet.

Instead it's the reason why ordinary people need to learn negated search terms. -site:pinterest.com -walmart -amazon -alibaba

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by benhurmarcel »

randmeerkat wrote: post #80
Karunamon wrote: post #60

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Yes, as a paid service who directly sells their primary product rather than a data mining, anti-privacy homunculus whose most famous product is merely a means to an end, an account and payment is required. This is strictly better than Google.

DuckDuckGo is 100% privacy focused, free, and doesn’t require an account or credit card to use.

Yes, and it's not as good.

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by pseudo0 »

dnissley wrote: post #152
pseudo0 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has already created channel memberships, where the channel can offer perks like member-only content in exchange for additional payment to the channel owner. It certainly looks like an attempt to squeeze out Patreon and similar services. The catch is that Google gets a 30% cut, compared to 3-5% for Patreon and such. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7491256

To be fair Patreon's pricing is somewhat complicated. By their own admission their cut is 5-12%

Good point, I forgot to account for the platform fee, which they charge in addition to the payment processing fees. So a creator on the Pro plan pays 8% just to use the services plus processing fees (2.9% plus $0.30 if over $3). So it seems like a typical creator would pay around 12%.

Still, that's an awful lot better than 30%.

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by b212 »

lordnacho wrote: post #46
jchw wrote: post #14

Google is probably screwed without it. Even if ad-tech isn't exactly a bubble, I strongly believe it is overvalued even still. Furthermore, the product that made their name is thoroughly lost. I dread Google Search today. If I found something on Google yesterday, I have no idea if I'll be able to locate it through the sea of blog SPAM and SEO garbage tomorrow. Google web search strongly favors big websites when somet…

I use search for coding a lot, and lately I've noticed it's hard to find what I'm after. If I'm looking for some small thing like what an sftp command looks like, I don't want an SEO essay about why SSH is great and we should all use encryption. I just want the example line. This seems to be what ChatGPT can give me. It doesn't always work, but it also doesn't beat around the bush.

That is odd, what exactly were you looking for? In my case Google results are still top notch. Sometimes I search for SO question every X years and I’m always able to find it easily.

Re: Google is screwed, even if it wins its antitrust case

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Post by midoridensha »

varispeed wrote: post #3

All big corporations have to be broken up. They have ill influence on everything and they are what many describe symptoms of late stage capitalism and our failure to regulate. They are like a player of Monopoly who bought everything. Alphabet shouldn't exist in its current form and so Apple, Amazon and many other corporations.

How big is big? And do you not want computers that can do what modern computers can? It costs billions of dollars to build a single semiconductor fab, so without any big corporations, there won't be any new fabs (or anyone big enough to own an existing one), so we'll be going back to 70s-80s IC technology at best.

Like it or not, a lot of things require very large companies to get done. Small companies can't build jumbo-jet airplanes.

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Post by drcongo »

codalan wrote: post #137
willcipriano wrote: post #115

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I believe they mean a gift card for their service, as in they should offer gift cards. Not send us $50 worth of Google Play gift cards. https://www.amazon.com/Mullvad-VPN-Devices-Protect-Security/...

Yep

This Valentine's Day, give someone the true gift of love, a search.
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