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Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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Just a reminder that a .org does not mean "trustworthy". https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Foundation_for_Individ... In this case, the discussion and the tenor of the conversation is almost certainly cherry picked to serve a particular agenda. On its face, the actions by Stanford in this article seem...not good. But I also suspect that this is making a mountain out of a molehill for political gain.

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Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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post #27

Just a reminder that a .org does not mean "trustworthy". https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Foundation_for_Individ... In this case, the discussion and the tenor of the conversation is almost certainly cherry picked to serve a particular agenda. On its face, the actions by Stanford in this article seem...not good. But I also suspect that this is making a mountain out of a molehill for political gain.

Given my experience with this organization when I was an undergrad, and reading their accounting of events that were going on on campus, I'd take this with more than just a grain of salt.

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dizzying pace with which so many of our institutions—from the ACLU to basically all our our elite universities—have not only abandoned but energetically oppose their former principles, over just the past five years, is horrifying.

Can you give a concrete example?

here[0] are[1] some[2] examples.

[0]: The ACLU Has Lost Its Way: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnn...

[1]: Once a Bastion of Free Speech, the A.C.L.U. Faces an Identity Crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

[2]: Requiem for the American Civil Liberties Union: https://www.newsweek.com/requiem-american-civil-liberties-un...

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dizzying pace with which so many of our institutions—from the ACLU to basically all our our elite universities—have not only abandoned but energetically oppose their former principles, over just the past five years, is horrifying.

> from the ACLU The ACLU has a track record of defending the rights of the unfavorable, even irredeemable. Are there examples that lump them in with this nonsense?

The Atlantic[0][1] has run a number of articles about the ACLU's changing values, and refusal to grapple critically with more authoritarian voices in the halls of power. There was also a New Republic article[2] discussing strife within the ACLU itself; "Finally, there are those within the ACLU who scoff at the First Amendment completely, arguing that it is “disproportionately enjoyed by people of power and privilege” and therefore, presumably, of little or no value to others. And Powell reports that some ACLU lawyers believe free speech (presumably meaning disagreement with the organization’s new direction) is now being suppressed within the organization itself."

[0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/aclu-devos...

[1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnn...

[2]: https://newrepublic.com/article/163073/first-amendment-fire

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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post #27

Just a reminder that a .org does not mean "trustworthy". https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Foundation_for_Individ... In this case, the discussion and the tenor of the conversation is almost certainly cherry picked to serve a particular agenda. On its face, the actions by Stanford in this article seem...not good. But I also suspect that this is making a mountain out of a molehill for political gain.

FIRE is a known sponsor of Turning Point USA.

This is absolutely a molehill mountain propped up to generate outrage, which you can see manifest in these comments.

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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> asking them to “acknowledge” what they’ve done and “change” their ways through restorative justice-type exercises undoubtedly chills student speech. This precedes speech. This is the right to read . Stallman's essay [1] needs an update. But no books were burned so we're still the good guys, don't worry. [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

But isn't this about someone posting an image to Snapchat? Not about reading a book?

And without seeing the image in question, and the context of why it was shared, it's kind of hard to say what's going on.

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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Some rando on Twitter reposting an screenshot of an anonymous person claims the following: https://twitter.com/barrydeutsch/status/1618697230382399488

> This article hasn't framed the incident accurately at all. the incident was two theta girls posted a Snapchat story of them reading Mein Kampf as part of their costumes at a pregame and laughing, clearly in a joking way, not at all in a historical way. The joke was in poor taste which is why it got such a negative response (as it should). Obviously people can read Mein Kampf, but that's not what's contested here.

I imagine this story is going to get stupider.

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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post #34
post #27

Just a reminder that a .org does not mean "trustworthy". https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Foundation_for_Individ... In this case, the discussion and the tenor of the conversation is almost certainly cherry picked to serve a particular agenda. On its face, the actions by Stanford in this article seem...not good. But I also suspect that this is making a mountain out of a molehill for political gain.

How is keeping track of what people read a "molehill"? Do we now presume libraries will not keep your reading habits and history private?

This article is about a picture posted on a snapchat story.

Re: Stanford student may need to ‘acknowledge harm’ for reading ‘Mein Kampf’

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give a concrete example?

here[0] are[1] some[2] examples. [0]: The ACLU Has Lost Its Way: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnn... [1]: Once a Bastion of Free Speech, the A.C.L.U. Faces an Identity Crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html [2]: Requiem for the American Civil Liberties Union: https://www.newsweek.com/requiem-american-civil-liberties-un...

Actual memo from the horse's mouth: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/aclu...

Tldr: under the new policy, they consider impact of the speech to marginalized communities before deciding to defend. Presumably this would exclude Skokie IL nazis, in contrast with their past record.

Credit to them for transparency by just publishing it after it was leaked.

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