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Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by giantrobot »

jb55 wrote: post #75
twobitshifter wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protocol notes that the relay has a choice to accept content, for example a large video. If you were running a relay you might want scanners for spam and illegal content running out front before relaying any content.

It's only recommended that you store json and text on relays. It's a text protocol, not a protocol for storing large binary data. Note sizes are restricted as well on most relays.

Usenet is fundamentally text-only. In fact messages need to be 7-bit safe. It's still been a place to distribute binary content for decades.

If I can store multiple messages on a relay I can distribute arbitrary files. So being text-only doesn't really limit anything.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by ASalazarMX »

monk_cactus wrote: post #113
ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding to the parent question, why do I need a wallet to join Nostr? I registered, and while the registration was delightfully painless, it autocreated a wallet for me at legend.lnbits.com.

That’s probably related to the client you used, it’s not necessary for you to have a wallet. That being said, it’s useful to have a lightning address because you can link that to your pubkey and people can send you sats if they like what you have to say

Oh. I assumed all clients would do that since Nostr.com did it when I registered there.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by nunobrito »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #105
nunobrito wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Qualified voices were either censored on social media or ignored by political powers in regards to COVID. In Portugal, the group of medical experts assembled by the government was ignored after they opposed the political decision for injecting children: https://www.publico.pt/2021/07/20/sociedade/noticia/comissao... It is wrong to dismiss the opinion of experts on this topic just because it goes against what mainstre…

They opposed it because they said there wasn’t enough information. That is the excuse for doing nothing — an argument repeated ad nauseam during the pandemic. Certainly there is an argument that children will be harmed if we do nothing. It’s a difficult decision because children a small number if children die from Covid, but it’s still not zero. The best way forward is to proceed with caution.

They clearly stated their opposition to injecting an experimental substance on children.

After two years before the injections existed exactly 3 cases of COVID-diagnosed deaths across a population of +700 thousand children in Portugal. Now the number of children with heart problems related to the injections is visible on news at plain sight.

The experts were ignored. Those supporting the experts on social media got banned or shadowbanned. This is not science, unless you consider medieval practices to be science.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by pessimizer »

gigatexal wrote: post #58
larrysalibra wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get kicked off a mastodon server, you lose your followers and posts unless you're able to move your account before you're kicked off - which requires the cooperation of the server that wants to kick you off. > If nobody wants to hear you spewing your stuff then you'll soon be screaming into the void but what you post will still be viewable on the web and to those that subscribe to you. People who are de-platfo…

> People who are de-platformed are almost always people who others WANT to hear. Think of all the famous people deplatformed from big tech social media...10s of millions of followers each. It wasn't that "no one" wanted to hear them, but that the people that controlled the platform didn't want others to be able to hear them. They have platforms they could go to. Parler, Rumble, Truth Social, their own blogs/websites,…

> Twitter was a giant public pool. For the most part everyone was chill. And then the trolls arrived and started shitting and peeing in the pool.

Have you ever looked at the replies to a Trump tweet, an Ilhan Omar tweet, a J.K. Rowling tweet, or a Briahna Joy Gray tweet? The degree of bullying, invective, and threats coming from people who support deplatforming is intense.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by pessimizer »

snapcaster wrote: post #68
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Federated is okay as long as it’s not used to organize violent acts. Sunshine isn’t always the best medicine.

Centralized social media has inspired and organized countless violent acts. Malaysia and India with Whatsapp is probably the most shocking. I don't see the connection between Federation/Centralization/etc. and violence. Can you explain your reasoning?

Monopolies in media make government censorship easier. They also make intentional government incitement to nationalist violence easier, but that's not the violence that people who think they're well-represented by the government worry about.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by giantrobot »

Cameri wrote: post #106
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

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Famous last words... I wouldn't want to run the risk of being the first one it does happen to. I think something like ipfs offers better resistance to such attacks for node owners. I wonder how the two compare because I don't know either in detail. But sharing unencrypted content from others could be an issue for many reasons. Copyright too. Especially because this protocol is aimed at content blocked or censored fro…

Nostr isn't aimed at content blocked or censored. Relays also don't host media, it's meant for text-based comms.

Well HN is text-based as well yet...

iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABAQMAAAAl21bKAAAAA1BMVEWbueItP/xuAAAACklEQVQI12NgAAAAAgAB4iG8MwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by snowstormsun »

fiatjaf wrote: post #114
snowstormsun wrote: post #39

Does somebody know whether the same or something similar could be achieved by using the "Network News Transfer Protocol" (nntp), without designing a whole new protocol?

What would we gain by doing that?

Perhaps you could avoid some pitfalls, which only become obvious when the practical application of the protocol is scaled. I have not dived deep into either nntp or nostr, but existing standards might offer useful considerations that could be reused. For example, it seems like nntp exchanges first a list of articles and clients only download the ones they don't have already. Does nostr do something similar? Like being able to get a list of event ids with minimal metadata and clients can selectively request the whole event data afterwards. As events might contain bigger text blobs, that could be important for performance or for adding placeholders to the UI. In general, it seems to me that nostr and nostr clients might need to come up with good strategies for caching and bandwith optimizations, considering the decentralized design. But please correct me if I am wrong.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by Cameri »

giantrobot wrote: post #126
Cameri wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nostr isn't aimed at content blocked or censored. Relays also don't host media, it's meant for text-based comms.

Well HN is text-based as well yet... iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABAQMAAAAl21bKAAAAA1BMVEWbueItP/xuAAAACklEQVQI12NgAAAAAgAB4iG8MwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==

"That doesn't look like anything to me"

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by humans2 »

nine_k wrote: post #9

The biggest problem I see here is forwarding someone else's unknown and unencrypted content. Imagine you're running a relay on your machine, and somebody posts some CSAM, or stolen CC data, or hate speech, etc through your relay. Unlike an email client, your relay actually makes that message available to anyone. Unlike an email relay, you are not forwarding the message to someone else like a dumb pipe; there's no fin…

Same with Mastodon, same with Tor. Abstract software people forget that at some point we run into the real world. The glyphs of science and math are not holistically representative of reality, but minified abstraction of reality for portability; it would take many more books to capture all of physics in English, so simplified languages over loaded with meaning to save space came about.

Social media seemed novel af but it’s resolution was the extent of what our computers and networks could handle at the time. Not some finally destination.

Especially with future hardware, RTX 6000, or whatever they call it, and beyond making novel content generation via ML a thing anyone can do, social gabbing in filter bubbles seems even more likely to be on its way out.

Re: Nostr: Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays

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Post by aliqot »

Cameri wrote: post #100
eduction wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole reason I was excited about Nostr was the censorship resistance but if the relays choose who gets to authenticate you’re back to square one (well, whichever square Mastodon is). Also, it seems naive to think that a ban on blocklists in the spec will keep real free humans from doing exactly as they’ve done on email, Mastodon etc and share block lists.

The AUTH Nostr Implementation Possibility is not mandatory. You can choose to use it or not, it's not all or nothing. Every single NIP except for NIP-01 is optional.

I wonder what the XMPP camp is up to these days
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