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Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

And/or underestimate the importance of shipping.

100%. I think Hugging Face is awesome here as well.

The # of times I've tried to clone a GitHub repo and run a model on my own only to get 50 errors I can't debug.... :)

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

Researchers point of view is based on their area of research and that's fair and expected.

Yann LeCun compares ChatGPT in the context of the related research. Imagine a ChatGPT equivalent that memorizes many questions and does a brute force strategy for an answer. It may "look" magic, but there's nothing magic about it. We all accepted that this is the case with Blue Gene - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer)

What's different here?

Productization and usability are difference concerns here and Yann LeCun is not a usability researcher. Granted, that doesn't mean usability/accessibility doesn't impact research outcomes.

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It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

And/or underestimate the importance of shipping.

This is the bigger thing over UX/design.

Someone on twitter likened this to when Xerox invented the mouse, but Apple/Microsoft shipped it with their PCs

Re: Yann LeCun: ChatGPT is 'not particularly innovative'

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It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

chatGPT is innovative in the way the iPhone was innovative. That, of course can be market winning, but it's dangerous, especially for businesses and investors, to get caught up in hype that there is some new "AI" out there that can do things we previously couldn't

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It's amazing how many researchers underestimate the importance of UX and design. Personally, seeing non-technical people using prompts for the first time -- and getting results that make sense -- is so incredible. Their eyes light up, they are surprised, and they want to keep playing with it. Amazing! A sizeable part of the population just got access to an incredibly complex AI model and can play with it. What a coll…

Clarke's third law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Most people don't understand that ChatGPT has no idea what they're talking about. It lacks it's own thought and heuristic patterns, and only gives you the most-likely response to your prompt. People don't know that though, so they think the Mechanical Turk is actually playing chess. I mostly agree with the headline here. ChatG…

"hardly any more innovative than a Markov chain."

Innovation is not invention. Innovation includes combining pedestrian concepts in novel ways. ChatGPT has the best ux and richest corpus of any markov chain I've ever used. It fits my bill of innovation combining sevaral things into a dang appealing product.

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Then what left is there to explain why this is so much different from the well-established stuff?

"The implementation is left as an exercise to the reader."

It’s easy. Just draw the rest of the owl!

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Sure, the ideas could be old (in ml research timeframes) but it works and they shipped it. It’s most people’s first exposure to a lot of innovative ideas that make up LLM at scale. I agree with his assertion that the only reason other people haven’t seen this out of Meta or Google is that they “have a lot to lose” from putting out bots “that make stuff up” - that’s the root of Google seemingly losing the narrative wa…

> they “have a lot to lose” from putting out bots “that make stuff up”

2023 should be the year of AI validation. For starters, we could extract facts from all the training examples (trillions) and organise them in a knowledge base. Where there is inconsistency or variation, the model should learn the distribution, so later it can confidently say a fact is not in its training data or is controversial. Note that I didn't say the model should find the truth, just the distribution of "facts".

We can add source reputation signals to this KB to improve its alignment with truth. And if it is controversies we want to know, we can look at news headlines, they usually reference facts being debated. So we can know a fact is contested and by who.

Another interesting approach - probing the model for "truth" by identifying a direction in the latent space that aligns with it. The logic being, even when the model is deceptive, it has an interest to know it is not telling the truth to keep the narrative consistent. So we need to just identify this signal. This is also part of work for AI alignment.

I hope this year we will see large investments in validation, because the unverified outputs of a generative model are worthless and they know it. At the very least hook the model up with a calculator and a way to query the web.

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Yann's tweets on this are pretty funny. I would flippantly summarize them as: "Don't get me wrong, the openai people are great. All I'm doing is educating the media, who have the mistaken belief that chatGPT is good" https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1617921903934726144?t=2wZZ...

Please don't put in quotes something that is not a direct quote.

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Show me the AI chat system from a decade ago that could hallucinate a git repo. Edit: let me be more careful: Show me the AI chat system from a decade ago that wasn't specifically designed to hallucinate git repos, but would hallucinate a git repo in response a detailed natural language prompt. It should have been good enough in its output to cause the user to write more prompts in an attempt to gauge whether the AI…

Decade ago, definitely not. But the answer to that question, time aside, is, well, GPT-3. No doubt ChatGPT is better, but it does seem like a decent bit of the improvement was UX related, since with the right prompts people have shown similarly miraculous output from GPT-3. Of course, I'm pretty sure the quoted person is referring to the fact that Google and others likely have similarly capable LLMs already that they…

Yes, but along that reasoning the criticism that "ChatGPT is not particularly innovative" is a bit disingenuous in the sense that the general public has never had easy access to these models until ChatGPT arrived.

Besides, even though the newer GPT models presumably just extended earlier ones with similar techniques but better hardware and data, it wasn't a foregone conclusion how powerful (from the user perspective) the models were going to be. Somebody had to put the resources into training the models. It's like saying human brains aren't particularly powerful because even the simplest animals have neurons and it's obvious that a more powerful brain could be built with more of them.

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