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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by Zanneth » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:13 PM UTC

runemadsen wrote: post #61

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

This is just so, so wrong in many ways. Read about post-viral diseases such as Me/CFS that closely mirrors what Long Covid sufferers are going through. Watch "Unrest" on Netflix. Stop telling people who have serious physical symptoms that it's all mental. Just stop.

I'm willing to be proven wrong. Up until now, there hasn't been a lot of scientific evidence pointing to a specific physiological cause.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by jackmott42 » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:13 PM UTC

runemadsen wrote: post #61

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

This is just so, so wrong in many ways. Read about post-viral diseases such as Me/CFS that closely mirrors what Long Covid sufferers are going through. Watch "Unrest" on Netflix. Stop telling people who have serious physical symptoms that it's all mental. Just stop.

I bet cases of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are down while long covid is up.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by laxd » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

runemadsen wrote: post #61

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

This is just so, so wrong in many ways. Read about post-viral diseases such as Me/CFS that closely mirrors what Long Covid sufferers are going through. Watch "Unrest" on Netflix. Stop telling people who have serious physical symptoms that it's all mental. Just stop.

"Stop telling people who have serious physical symptoms that it's all mental"

As someone who has serious physical symptoms stemming from mental disorder, I think you're being a dick. The experience is the same even if the root cause is mental. And your attitude belittles it.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by mikewarot » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #35

yboris wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

We had supply shortages because all the slack has been taken out of systems to "improve efficiency", which was an entirely predictable, but accepted trade-off of those decisions.

High inflation isn't the fault of people barely scraping by, its a reaction to supply disruptions worldwide.

I expect 10% inflation for the next decade, because of demographic shifts and deglobalization, in the US. The rest of the world will be worse as capital flees to the US.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by humans2 » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

BryantD wrote: post #44

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

I generally think that mental illness is on par with physical illness, to the degree that you can differentiate them. If it’s worth our time to worry about one, it’s worth our time to worry about the other.

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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

digdugdirk wrote: post #9

This will be extremely interesting to see play out. Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't a "testable" marker to determine/backup if people are still experiencing Covid symptoms. Insurance companies aren't going to want to play nice for both treatment and disability payouts, but the number of people with the condition is likely too large to sweep under the rug as might normally occur. I have no idea how things will go, bu…

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Post by eldritch_4ier » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

invitrom wrote: post #55

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

It seems highly unlikely that millions of people get a depression right after an infection with covid.

It seems more likely that the significant lockdowns and deep isolation that came with it had these same effects. When you can't see friends for months, can't do anything but stay home and watch tv/play video games, and are constantly exposed to news of a depressing, ill world - what else do you feel?

You don't need covid to feel "Long Covid" after the life we've lived in the last 2 years.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by Zanneth » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

invitrom wrote: post #55

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

It seems highly unlikely that millions of people get a depression right after an infection with covid.

A lot of people were severely negatively affected by the world's reaction to the pandemic. Businesses closed, jobs lost, financial insecurity, etc. Surely this could have an impact on the collective mental health.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by khazhoux » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

invitrom wrote: post #55

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

It seems highly unlikely that millions of people get a depression right after an infection with covid.

The problem is that it also seems highly unlikely that a respiratory disease that primarily attacks lungs, results in long-term depression.

Whataever physiological connection exists there, is far from obvious. And I haven’t found concrete studies to explain it.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by factsarelolz » Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

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