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Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by qclibre22 »

yboris wrote: post #14
digdugdirk wrote: post #9

This will be extremely interesting to see play out. Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't a "testable" marker to determine/backup if people are still experiencing Covid symptoms. Insurance companies aren't going to want to play nice for both treatment and disability payouts, but the number of people with the condition is likely too large to sweep under the rug as might normally occur. I have no idea how things will go, bu…

It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

Everybody wants a government handout. Nobody wants to pay the taxes to fund it.

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Post by nostromo »

Covid is a problem for working-age people when there is a comorbidity - usually obesity. It'd be interesting to see additional data about these worker comp claims about other health issues as we've known that America has an obesity problem for some time.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by n42 »

puffoflogic wrote: post #6
notahacker wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird how people started getting these side effects from the "experimental mRNA gene therapy" several months before the vaccination programmes started...

If you don't have a source for that, you should put it back where it came from.

“Controversial opinion with no evidence presented in just enough of a noncommittal way to deflect responsibility for its presentation. Watch me get downvoted, that’ll prove me right!”

“Widely accepted take”

“Your inability to provide evidence proves the original take!”

This way of “arguing” has been carefully crafted to prevent any intellectual debate.

Not that I think it will help you, here is an article in Nature on long Covid published in December of 2020 before vaccines were widely distributed: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01177-6

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by nostromo »

yboris wrote: post #14
digdugdirk wrote: post #9

This will be extremely interesting to see play out. Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't a "testable" marker to determine/backup if people are still experiencing Covid symptoms. Insurance companies aren't going to want to play nice for both treatment and disability payouts, but the number of people with the condition is likely too large to sweep under the rug as might normally occur. I have no idea how things will go, bu…

It seems like if our society had UBI (Universal Basic Income) we wouldn't have to worry so much over cases like this - people would be able to get by, it wouldn't be a crisis for so many individuals.

Our Covid response really hurt the case for UBI. It turns out, when people are paid to stay at home and not work, even for a short period of time, we get high inflation and product shortages.

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by Zanneth »

minsight wrote: post #22
Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

Long Covid has a collection of effects on the body which can be observed using commonly-ordered tests. A dramatically reduced serum cortisol is one.

Hyperactivity of the amygdala, commonly associated with depression, also causes changes in cortisol levels. [1]

[1] https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsy...

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Post by Invictus0 »

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

I swear there's a dismissive comment like this on every single long covid article on HN

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by whatshisface »

minsight wrote: post #22
Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

Long Covid has a collection of effects on the body which can be observed using commonly-ordered tests. A dramatically reduced serum cortisol is one.

Not a lot of people know this, but depression also has a collection of effects on the body.

https://lorienpsych.com/2021/06/05/depression/

Re: Long Covid is keeping significant numbers of people out of work, study finds

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Post by fzeroracer »

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

Calling it 'exactly the same' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. I've struggled on and off with depression and the symptoms people report for long covid are not at all like those I or others with depression I've talked to. General fatigue/exhaustion for example doesn't mean I quickly run out of breath when doing normal activities or struggle to do tasks I normally took for granted.

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Post by nradov »

Zanneth wrote: post #18

A lot of the symptoms of “Long COVID” are exactly the same as depression and anxiety symptoms. Brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness: anyone who has ever had depression knows what this is like. Of course there are a small number of people who had severe illness from COVID and had to be hospitalized, and the road to recovery for them is quite long, but most people claiming that they suffer from Long COVID are not the on…

There are likely multiple completely different underlying root causes which are being conflated together. Some cases may be psychosomatic. But post-viral syndrome has been recognized since at least 1987. It appears that many different viral infections can cause persistent damage to cellular metabolism in a subset of patients, and SARS-CoV-2 is nothing special in that regard. We need more basic research to understand what's really going on.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1710789/

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