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Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Legalize prostitution and regulate safety and perhaps incels would build confidence and learn to socialize a bit from paid sexual interactions? I'm kind of ignorant to the subject of what is the cause of 'sexual loneliness' but I believe the world's oldest profession shouldn't be pushed into the shadows as that causes more problems than it prevents.

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Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

I have a healthy dating life outside of apps, but yeah - I think women understanding how difficult and dramatically different online dating is for men in comparison to women will never truly be accepted or taken seriously by women.

I think women get it when they experience the same thing in their 40s.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

My partner and I are in a ENM relationship and that is spot on. I get some matches here and there but she gets 100s of likes

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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I am happy about the study, since I think this is underresearched. However, I think Gini Index this is a horrible way to look at it.

Regular sex is important, but regularly switching sex partners isn't really how I want to live my life. I don't want 50 lifetime partners, 38, 15, or even 12. I wanted one. That I have more than one is a sign of failure of a relationship each time, which is not a success.

If I had my choice, I'd:

1. go back to a 1930-style relationship, were I would have married early and stayed together.

2. We'd have clear roles, although not the sexist, dated ones from 1930. I'm very flexible, so I don't much care what they are. I just don't want conflict over who does what, re-negotiation of everything, and clear roles eliminate a lot of room for conflict. With some permanent, clear division of responsibility, we both know what's required of a good partner, and if each of us focuses on that, things work out.

3. As a cultural norm, divorce would only happen for fault (abuse, infidelity, etc.). Both sides would try to be good spouses.

4. Extended families would live together and support each other (which also keeps an eye on things not going south).

I'm not trying to impose that on anyone else, except for a research methodology to account for people like me.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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I am a regular reader of Reddit's "Am I the Asshole" and the sheer number of terrible boyfriends/husbands is jaw-dropping. And that's probably always been true, but what has changed is the extent to which women now have agency through having decent jobs and not being social pariahs if they're not married and pregnant by 22. The stuff my grandmother put up with just doesn't fly today.

So if the content of AITA is any guide, we could solve a lot of these problems just by training the bottom quartile of men in the basics. Hygiene. Being a good roommate. Being a good friend. Being a good economic partner. Etc, etc. There appear to be a lot of guys out there who want to go from having mommy do everything while they play video games to having a bang maid [1] who does the same. It's no wonder they're having a harder and harder time getting any.

[1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bang%20maid

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

The problem with dating apps is that there is an inherent divide, and Match Group (the company that owns pretty much all online dating apps) actively exploits this. Lonely men are deliberately targeted and charged more for services. It may seem silly or nonsensical from above, but for many young men apps like Tinder are the only way of finding "love" they've ever known and they directly equate swipes (or the lack thereof) with their desirability and prospects.

OLD used to be a great way to meet people. However, helping people establish meaningful longterm connections and stop using the service isn't a sustainable business model.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patie...

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

Suggest her to try being a recruiter on LinkedIn as a thought experiment. Initial message should be "Hello, I have an exciting job offer for you, I've seen you know React".

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

To be fair this is not entirely due to social dynamics but rather due to MatchGroup companies following identical monetization patterns. They’re just capitalizing on male desperation and artificially widening or narrowing the gap depending on how much you pay.

If you observe the actual dating climate it’s nowhere near this bad and in larger cities like NYC it can even be closer to 1:1.

Rather than a social problem this is an economic problem, and as dystopian as it sounds I personally think the solution here is a non-profit or even govt sponsored dating app. It would be stupidly easy to do this and also add a whole lot more trust (bad actors may face real consequences), which is one of the other huge reasons why dating apps struggle with getting women into their app.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

Maybe you two should try it together for fun? Pro tip: You should probably agree to swipe right on everyone indiscriminately to avoid a potential argument. Not so pro disclaimer: I'm single and not married, so your mileage may vary. Please report back for... research purposes. :)

unless you're already accustomed to jealousy management via some sort of ENM, it's probably unwise.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Legalize prostitution and regulate safety and perhaps incels would build confidence and learn to socialize a bit from paid sexual interactions? I'm kind of ignorant to the subject of what is the cause of 'sexual loneliness' but I believe the world's oldest profession shouldn't be pushed into the shadows as that causes more problems than it prevents.

If people consider marriage as a contract of exchange, then it is already a form of legalized prostitution. Monogamy might be a bigger underlying problem. Esther Perel's Mating in Captivity in a good read on this topic.

People who think like this don't tend to stay married long.
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