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Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Legalize prostitution and regulate safety and perhaps incels would build confidence and learn to socialize a bit from paid sexual interactions? I'm kind of ignorant to the subject of what is the cause of 'sexual loneliness' but I believe the world's oldest profession shouldn't be pushed into the shadows as that causes more problems than it prevents.

If people consider marriage as a contract of exchange, then it is already a form of legalized prostitution. Monogamy might be a bigger underlying problem.

Esther Perel's Mating in Captivity in a good read on this topic.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Legalize prostitution and regulate safety and perhaps incels would build confidence and learn to socialize a bit from paid sexual interactions? I'm kind of ignorant to the subject of what is the cause of 'sexual loneliness' but I believe the world's oldest profession shouldn't be pushed into the shadows as that causes more problems than it prevents.

I dont think prostitution can fix that issue in the slightest. Here in Germany prostitution is legal and highly regulated (to the point that there are ticket stations for prostitutes working on the street to pay taxes). I would however never ever consider using those services.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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Haven't incels been talking about this for years?

I think I first heard the phrase "involuntary celibate" on USENET around 1994 or so.

People are pretty self-centered and prone to sensationalism so I think most people didn't hear the contraction "incel" until there were some high-profile killings a few years ago.

That article tells a story very similar to what some incels tell, which is that men who are at the top of desirability have more access to a range of partners than they ever did while men who are average and below frequently get nothing. People blame dating sites like Tinder for this as women now get to be choosier in the short term, but in the long term they find they can't get men to commit to them because the men that they choose on Tinder don't have any reason to commit to them, a situation written up in

https://www.themarginalian.org/2016/03/22/why-love-hurts-eva...

(I would love to get Eva Illouz in a conversation with a blackpiller like Wheat Waffles as the situations they describe look like two sides of the same coin to me.)

In general people make policy based on looking in the rear view mirror and nowhere is this more pernicious than in gender issues where the fact that boys are dropping out of education and men dropping out of work are only barely starting to get attention after having been worsening trends for 30 years. The "standard model" of intersectionality really gets things wrong because the assumptions that "Men do better than women" and "Whites do better than blacks" don't compose to make black women particularly wretched, instead you find black women don't do nearly as bad as black men because it is black men who seem to be on a conveyor belt from the cradle to prison.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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I love how the article compares the unequal distribution of sex partners with the unequal distribution of wealth, because in my opinion that might be part of the cause.

I would predict that being able to afford a nice apartment in a good area close to date locations will easily 10x your sex chances.

There have been other studies about young men struggling to find jobs that pay well enough for them to become financially independent, and there's been a lot of discussions about Hikkomori and the Japanese Grasseaters movement, which is basically older guys that refuse to move out of their parent's home.

My overall impression is that a bad economy and bad job market makes it difficult for young men to become independent and that makes it extremely difficult for them to become sexually active. Because despite all progress with regards to gender equality, the overwhelming majority of girls prefers to date a guy who can afford a nice shirt and a nice appartment.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

I found this video a while back that highlights what you're talking about.[0] Might be an interesting one to show to your wife.

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZTIbHIsIYw

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

I have a healthy dating life outside of apps, but yeah - I think women understanding how difficult and dramatically different online dating is for men in comparison to women will never truly be accepted or taken seriously by women.

The best way I've heard to explain the difference is men are dying of thirst in a desert and woman are dying of thirst in an ocean.

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> The National Survey of Family Growth data shows that in 2002 the most sexually active top 20 % of American heterosexual men had 12 lifetime sex partners while the top 5 % had 38 partners.3 Ten years later, in 2012, the most sexually active top 20 % now reported 15 lifetime sex partners and the top 5 % of men reported 50 lifetime sex partners.

Year | 2002 | 2012

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Top 20% # Partners | 12 | 15

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Top 5% # Partners | 38 | 50

Wow - so what does 2022 look like?

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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> One possible aid for sexual loneliness might come from online dating apps such as Tinder. In theory, online dating could provide an efficient way to find a partner. However, online dating divides people heavily into winners and losers – perhaps even more so than traditional dating. While women can get attention from thousands of men online in just a few hours, men are lucky if anyone is interested in them My wife d…

Maybe you two should try it together for fun?

Pro tip: You should probably agree to swipe right on everyone indiscriminately to avoid a potential argument.

Not so pro disclaimer: I'm single and not married, so your mileage may vary. Please report back for... research purposes. :)

Re: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem?

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There's a difference between sexual loneliness and being an Incel. Incels believe the world owes them sex and they are entitled to it. People suffering from sexual loneliness aren't all incels and to lump together both groups does a disservice to non-incel people that suffer from this.

"Incel" just means "INvoluntary CELibate".

It's a diverse group with diverse opinions.

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