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The reverse, however, could also be true---how did you get all those fireable white females in the first place?
Almost everyone is fireable. People who make it through large layoffs like to tell themselves it's because of the value they produce, but in my experience having been close to the decision making process on some of these it has a lot more to do with luck of the draw than anyone would care to admit.
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I think even in context its a bit dangerous. Who counts as diverse, and who gets cut in that consideration? Imagine there are three employees, and one of them has to go due to budget cuts. One is a straight African American male, one is a white homosexual male, and one is a white straight female. All of these might be considered diverse because they are all minorities in the tech industry in some way. However, taking…
I think you're just looking at it wrong. None of those people is diverse because no individuals are diverse; a person is only themself. A group of people can be varyingly diverse, and observations about the before/after diversity of a group of employees is a different thing from making decisions based on someone's individual group membership. I think this upside-down view of diversity being located in individuals is…
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I think you're just looking at it wrong. None of those people is diverse because no individuals are diverse; a person is only themself. A group of people can be varyingly diverse, and observations about the before/after diversity of a group of employees is a different thing from making decisions based on someone's individual group membership. I think this upside-down view of diversity being located in individuals is…
That's a bit of what I mean though...what counts as diverse? Diversity is such a vague word that anyone with some attribute outside of the norm in an industry might qualify. Do we discriminate against some forms of diversity, and not others? I think that hirings/firings should be done because of performance, as that is the only way to really make it fair in the long run. Its great to have people from different backgr…
Right, the term has no inherent abstract usefulness, it must be defined in each specific case. You can assess diversity of a group on a certain axis, but not generic "diversity" without defining it.
But you're still thinking of it as something possessed by an individual and that's making it hard to see the value. Adding a specific person may increase the diversity of the team on a certain axis, but that's a trait of the team not that person.
> as that is the only way to really make it fair in the long run.
I don't think this is wrong, but the way you state it makes me think there are several assumptions under it that are worth prodding at. Like, is fairness the goal? To whom? only the members of the team being discussed, or all potential candidates, or society as a whole, or what? Or, what is "performance?" and defined by whom? If a member of the team underperforms their peers on technical assessments but, for example, speaks an uncommon language that gives them access to and business-valuable insight into their users, is that performance? These are judgements that need to be made, not objective facts that can be derived from the world.
I don't know of anyone seriously proposing that "diversity" be the sole deciding factor in a hiring or firing. But that assessing the overall diversity of a team on certain axes can surely be one of several things weighed when making these decisions, along with things like tenure, performance, communication skills, morale, etc.
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Not broken? La mano??? Seriously, I would be surprised if there is not a broken spoken language. English is completely messed up. I don't know how anyone learns it.
I was going to say. Americans should be focused on fixing English first. Lol.
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#156DEI departments and projects have a fervor to them that is near religious: the core tenets are faith based and impossible to challenge scientifically. Challenge any DEI tenet and your are immediately met with threats of excommunication. Get in line or you're out. The thing is DEI efforts oftentimes mask comical understanding of history and blindingly gross racism. Personal anecdote: How do you deal with people who pr…
> Challenge any DEI tenet and your are immediately met with threats of excommunication. Get in line or you're out. The one that continually upsets me (as someone who grew up in a predominantly Hispanic community, is married to a Hispanic person, has Hispanic children, and speaks Spanish as a fluent second language and in the home) is the use of the term "LatinX" which has spread through the DEI community and now gene…
> "Latinx organizations share hopes for Futuro Latino Fund"
> The grant is meant for nonprofits and organizations that help support Latinx communities.
> Garcia said Latinx people understanding their history is important for community development.
> "As Chicanos, as we grew up understanding that America, the United States of America, era nuestra casa, we became interested and connected to American history," he said.
> A lot of Latinos would love to be baseball,
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> Challenge any DEI tenet and your are immediately met with threats of excommunication. Get in line or you're out. The one that continually upsets me (as someone who grew up in a predominantly Hispanic community, is married to a Hispanic person, has Hispanic children, and speaks Spanish as a fluent second language and in the home) is the use of the term "LatinX" which has spread through the DEI community and now gene…
As a Hispanic PoC person, I agree 100% with you about LatinX. It's the result of white people with a high school understanding of Spanish trying to fix a language they really don't understand. The Spanish language is not broken and does not need to be fixed.
> The Spanish language is not broken and does not need to be fixed.
Latinx is an English word. English words are not necesarily gendered, and English linguistic culture has evolved away from gendered nouns.
"Latine" is better for English, though.
https://theconversation.com/stop-using-latinx-if-you-really-...