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1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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This is a common case I see of misusing statistics without really understanding what's happening. I can't read Norwegian but I'll take a stab at what's happened here (based on my knowledge of other articles and having 20 years of personal experience of fitness training). - This wasn't one group session but repeated sessions of HIIT back to back (maybe even daily). - There wasn't sufficient rest between sessions. - So…

This was a new type of training session in that gym. One of those affected was a 26 year old, the two others ~40. I don't get why you feel the need to make up causes. Most of what I read points out that it's more likely to happen to untrained individuals. It may be because they start to hard over multiple days, but that's not going against what I've said multiple times: that it's a high risk for untrained individuals…

> that it's a high risk for untrained individuals jumping into high intensity training

This statement erases all nuance in the real world data and experience of anyone involved in training.

You need to differentiate between one HIIT session and repeated HIIT sessions without recovery. The former doesn't cause injury in the vast majority of individuals. The latter is known to cause injuries in everyone trained or untrained.

You also need to control for what the HIIT session is. If it's spinning on a stationary bike for 2 minutes, an untrained individual generates nowhere near enough force to then injure themselves. If you're putting a set weight on a bar and asking them to shoulder press it, that's self-evidently completely different.

Yet, in your argument, they're exactly the same.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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How do one manage to eat exactly the amount of calories one consumes ? Based on the calories in/out weight gain theory a little error of 50 calories/day would lead to 50*365=18250 extra calories/year ie 18250/9000=~2kg of fat. 20kg in 10 years ! Eat an apple a day and you’ll be massively obese in few years.

It just has to average out in the long term. No one eats the exact same thing everyday. And you can eat less or more throughout the year. You've never had a holiday feast?

That’s my point. Regarding people that maintain the same weight, I highly doubt they eat on average the _exact_ amount needed. There must be physiological adjustments that are broken in some people.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Are you certain that humans can properly digest gasoline and make use of its calories?

I'm sure that they can't. That's why they won't gain any weight with such diet.

So you're saying that the type of calories you consume makes a difference, not just the amount???

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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>Certainly not the same effect. HIT training doesn’t improve respiratory or cardiovascular fitness as effectively as continuous training does, and it doesn’t condition the muscles for endurance as effectively as continuous training does either. This is actually incorrect. It's not well known, but the science is actually very clear about this. HIIT is much more effective then long term continuous exercise for VO2 max.…

You've misunderstood what VO2 max is. It measures your ability to metabolize oxygen into carbon dioxide, and it measures your pulmonary function, the performance of your heart, the efficiency of capillary delivery and the efficiency of your muscles. You can increase VO2 max by training any component of those systems, and high intensity training only targets certain components of it. HIIT doesn't "work better" than co…

>If you'd like to take up debunking training myths, I'd suggest you look a little bit further into what VO2 max actually is, and what other types of fitness metrics also exist.

It depends on the level you're looking at. Lower level components compose to form higher level components. For example heart efficiency is one component that composes with others to form VO2 max. Muscle lifting strength is not a a component that makes up for this. Of course I am looking at a higher level metric then you suggest. There's no point in arguing how granular things are. I could turn it around and talk about how the mitochondria and DNA is a component of stroke volume but that's just, again, pointless.

>HIIT doesn't "work better" than continuous training in this respect, it simply targets a different part of the system than continuous training does. For instance if you wanted to increase the stroke volume of your heart (a component of VO2 max), then the scientifically proven best way to do that is with extended aerobic exercise (continuous training).

You are incorrect about stroke volume. Recent studies show that cardiovascular and muscular adaptations to HIIT are comparable and sometimes even greater than those of steady-state training. In regards to cardiovascular adaptations, these studies show that HIIT increases stroke volume and VO2max to a greater degree than steady-state cardio (stroke volume: 10% greater improvement; VO2max: 6% greater improvement). These studies also suggest HIIT increases mitochondrial density, which allows us to create more energy, to a similar degree as steady-state but in less time and fewer days per week.

Sources: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308600869_High-Inte...

The above paper shows how VO2 max is increased by HIIT

https://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/HIITvsCardio....

The above page shows how VO2 max compared with Continuous training is the same if not better.

https://runningmagazine.ca/the-scene/the-surprisingly-simple...

The above is a page on Roger Bannisters training routine. He exclusively did intervals and ran only 5 hours per week to achieve the first 4 minute mile, thereby proving that the most popular and almost exclusive training routine for the time (continuous training) was not as effective as HIIT.

Nowadays athlete runners regularly blow past the 4 minute limit because interval training is now common place. In fact people in the know... people who train the top athletes know that intervals are the primary training routine to improve VO2 max (and virtually all associated lower level components that influence it, if you want to be pedantic.) So this "myth" I'm "debunking" is mostly a myth among the more amateur athletes (aka people who don't break 4 minute miles). I believe you are likely part of this peer group which is a logical deduction given your incorrect reasoning.

If you'd like to debunk other people I suggest you cite resources because you are mistaken on this area and if you read the science you would know. Spitting out a lot of technical jargon while making you sound intelligent does not take the place of actual the science and cited sources that serve to prove a point. Thank you.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Right, and what factors modulate the actual metabolic energy?

Well that's where all the biochemistry comes into play. There are pathways where various components are broken down through physical force, stomach acid, gut bacteria and enzymes, etc. This looks like a digestible introductory guide: https://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/digestion-and-digesti... And a brief description of how all that helps inform calorie counts on nutrition labels: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A…

Right, this is a very long way of saying that CI = modulating factors * CO which is the point I've been trying to make.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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50W is nothing, and 500W isn’t really a sprint. For an adult male, you should be pushing 1000-2000 over 20 second sprints. Walking slightly uphill is probably more intense than a 50w bike.

50W is barely moving on a bicycle. But 500W is a significant effort for an untrained person, particularly somebody of smaller stature. FWIW, I'm an avid recreational cyclist and my 1-hour power fluctuates in the 250W-280W range at 68-70kg body weight. My all-out sprint power is over 1000W, but not by much. 2000W is enough to win elite sprints, both on the track and on the road.

I routinely workout with college athletes or former athletes so perhaps my data is skewed on the top end.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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I'm sure that they can't. That's why they won't gain any weight with such diet.

So you're saying that the type of calories you consume makes a difference, not just the amount???

I'm just saying that whatever calories you consume you won't have more net gain of weight than contained calories you consume minus calories you burn.

Regardless of whether calories are completely indigestible or totally digestible the above still holds.

Also you don't have to resort to gasoline. If you want to loose weight you may use cellulose. And if you don't eat more calories in it than you need to keep your weight then you won't gain weight regardless of how much cellulaze (cellulose digesting enzyme) you eat with your cellulose.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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4 hours of strenuous exercise. This should consume around 3000 kcals. Studies have found that humans cannot consume more calories than 2.5x their basal metabolic rate.

Do you have the source for this? I tried ChatGPT: >> Someone on the internet wrote "humans cannot consume more calories than 2.5x their basal metabolic rate" -- which study might they be quoting? > I am not aware of a specific study that states that humans cannot consume more calories than 2.5x their basal metabolic rate. Basal metabolic rate (BMR) is the amount of energy a person needs to maintain basic bodily funct…

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaw0341

"Incorporating data from overfeeding studies, we find evidence for an alimentary energy supply limit in humans of ~2.5× BMR"

A good book the topic is Herman Ponzer's "Burn"

The main issue seems the surface area of the GI tract.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Devs next week: 0. git commit 1. git push 2. open an MR 3. powerlifting while the CI is running .... Business idea: powerlifting bars to homeoffices

https://nordicrackandoffice.fi/en/

OMG it already exists, thanks for sharing
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