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Post by necrotic_comp »

renewiltord wrote: post #30
conductr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low comment/response velocity is what keeps it from turning into reddit IMO. Meaning, high velocity encourages arguments, negativity and other low value response posts which is what I see all over on Reddit.

The one unifying characteristic of all social network communities is that they all have a defined Other that they are better than. They all invent some rationale for why they are better but all of them are, in the end, the same.

eh - I think Hacker News is qualitatively different. There's a lot of shared values here, and low-effort comments are actively discouraged. It's a lot more pleasant to read the comments here than on a place like Reddit, even in some of the higher-functioning subs.

Maybe it's the way comments are weighted here, or the fact that post scores aren't shared, but it's definitely the best place on the web for me.

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Post by epolanski »

renewiltord wrote: post #30
conductr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low comment/response velocity is what keeps it from turning into reddit IMO. Meaning, high velocity encourages arguments, negativity and other low value response posts which is what I see all over on Reddit.

The one unifying characteristic of all social network communities is that they all have a defined Other that they are better than. They all invent some rationale for why they are better but all of them are, in the end, the same.

Well, I guess having different phylosophies and different flows/features is what makes some products more palatable.

On the other hand, I really would not mind notifications for replies to my posts, and I don't think they would negatively impact my HN experience. What I like about HN is mostly the community, the content, reading the comments, the UX/UI comes quite behind.

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Post by xwolfi »

jgrahamc wrote: post #11

One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

Totally freeing me from the constant aggressivity of reddit, both towards and from myself.

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Post by bnralt »

jgrahamc wrote: post #11

One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

One of the issues with both is that there’s an invisible timer countdown until the point were any reply becomes unseen. On web forums I like to wait a few days before responding, to judge whether or not a response is actually worth the time and will result in a productive conversation. On places like Reddit and Hacker News we don’t have this option - a person usually has a couple of hours, at most a day or two before any reply on the site would be as effective as writing a reply on a paper note and burning it afterwards.

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Post by conductr »

renewiltord wrote: post #30
conductr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low comment/response velocity is what keeps it from turning into reddit IMO. Meaning, high velocity encourages arguments, negativity and other low value response posts which is what I see all over on Reddit.

The one unifying characteristic of all social network communities is that they all have a defined Other that they are better than. They all invent some rationale for why they are better but all of them are, in the end, the same.

The dynamics at play are the same. But people still behave differently in different environments. Just like the real world;

For example, Anonymity plays an outsized role in the equation. FB is as you said essentially the same as Reddit except (most) people self censor to a degree that keeps it mostly cordial. They’re not going to use certain language and allow their full opinions to be heard, because someone they actually know could be reading. (Some people don’t care and post unfiltered but speaking of the majority).

Generally People posting on LinkedIn is often going to be some form of HR speak, they don’t want to offend anyone in their professional network. They’re not going to talk about religion and politics and whatnot.

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Post by rcarr »

timvisee wrote: post #18

I use https://hnrss.org/replies?id=timvisee in an RSS reader (Thunderbird in my case). Then I get alerted for comments. Much better! See https://hnrss.github.io/#reply-feeds

Came here to say the same thing, hnrss in your feed reader of choice is the way to go

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Post by [deleted] »

bnralt wrote: post #34
jgrahamc wrote: post #11

One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

One of the issues with both is that there’s an invisible timer countdown until the point were any reply becomes unseen. On web forums I like to wait a few days before responding, to judge whether or not a response is actually worth the time and will result in a productive conversation. On places like Reddit and Hacker News we don’t have this option - a person usually has a couple of hours, at most a day or two before…

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Post by vcg3rd »

conductr wrote: post #35
renewiltord wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one unifying characteristic of all social network communities is that they all have a defined Other that they are better than. They all invent some rationale for why they are better but all of them are, in the end, the same.

The dynamics at play are the same. But people still behave differently in different environments. Just like the real world; For example, Anonymity plays an outsized role in the equation. FB is as you said essentially the same as Reddit except (most) people self censor to a degree that keeps it mostly cordial. They’re not going to use certain language and allow their full opinions to be heard, because someone they act…

"people still behave differently in different environments."

Mostly I don't. Nearing my 7th decade, I have spent most of my adult life seeking convergence of my private and public self. It's one reason that since the early 90s I have used my initials as my username everywhere.

I highly value privacy but have no need of anonymity, though I understand it's life or death for too many.

And I don't mean I would be the same around a stranger as I am my wife of 35 years. I mean I would be my honest, authentic self for each context. Twitter or nestr, Facebook or Reddit, church or mall, my hometown USA or Berlin.

I rarely comment here because I rarely have any value to add.

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Post by kazinator »

bnralt wrote: post #34
jgrahamc wrote: post #11

One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

One of the issues with both is that there’s an invisible timer countdown until the point were any reply becomes unseen. On web forums I like to wait a few days before responding, to judge whether or not a response is actually worth the time and will result in a productive conversation. On places like Reddit and Hacker News we don’t have this option - a person usually has a couple of hours, at most a day or two before…

Plenty of times I've received replies to comments that were themselves replies to posts that were a fair number of days old.

It depends on how often that person visits HN, how busy is their "threads" timeline and how deeply they go into it. Then, finally, whether or not your comment requires or provokes a response.

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