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An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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Re: An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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True, but I don't thinks it's about if you need one or not. I think it's about money. Luddites trying to keep automation out from their profession.

I'm facing 20 years in jail. I would MUCH RATHER have an actual world class lawyer representing me than a freaking chatbot!

Then you should go get one.

Personally, I really like Envy Apples but I don't ban the other varieties, do I?

Re: An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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Licenses for cutting hair or applying makeup? https://www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2019/11/13/freelance-weddi...

Where do you draw the line? I’d say that an industry with significant health, safety or financial risk should require regulation and licensing. Your example seems a bit crazy.

The funny thing is that doctors would be the canonical examples for most people. Yet, there is no license that stops a pediatrician from performing brain surgery. What stops the pediatrician from performing brain surgery is that no hospital would hire them as a brain surgeon, no insurance would insure their brain surgery and if something goes wrong they'd likely face a lawsuit they couldn't win. Why is the system able to judge the difference between a pediatrician and a brain surgeon but we need licensing to distinguish between doctor and non-doctor?

Re: An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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Licenses for cutting hair or applying makeup? https://www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2019/11/13/freelance-weddi...

Where do you draw the line? I’d say that an industry with significant health, safety or financial risk should require regulation and licensing. Your example seems a bit crazy.

Cutting hair is one thing. But hairdressers also handle things like, for example, chemical relaxation of hair, which can be seriously dangerous in the wrong hands. I don't know where the answer lies for regulation. But it seems to be there for at least some reason.

Re: An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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One could also argue the real problem is the tech industry constantly ignoring regulations that were put in place for good reasons. Car dealerships are for sure a clear example of regulatory capture, but “legal advice from lawyers”, “medicine from doctors”, “insurance from companies that can prove they can pay out”, and “equities backed by actual assets” all exist for good reasons.

Licenses for cutting hair or applying makeup? https://www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2019/11/13/freelance-weddi...

Crazier case is places that braid hair and pose. In some states they are now required to get a license as a cosmetician (which takes longer on average than becoming a police officer in the US). The classes required for the license teach no skill relevant to the hair braiding. However, the hair braiding is in competition with the hair dressers who also control the licensing board.

Longer discussion of the topic on Econtalk: https://www.econtalk.org/dick-carpenter-on-bottleneckers/#au...

Re: An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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I saw the ceo of this company offering a million dollars to anyone willing to use their AI in a US Supreme court case (I'd be surprised if that tweet was still up).

Safe to say that even if they had a solid product they are being recklessly Gung ho about its application.

Re: An AI lawyer was set to argue in court – real lawyers shut it down

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This company is either run by someone who doesn't understand the tech or is willfully fraudulent. ChatGPT and company are far from good enough to be entrusted with law. Having interacted extensively with modern LLMs, I absolutely know something like this would happen:

> Defendant (as dictated by AI): The Supreme Court ruled in Johnson v. Smith in 1978...

> Judge: There was no case Johnson v. Smith in 1978.

LLMs hallucinate, and there is absolutely no space for hallucination in a court of law. The legal profession is perhaps the closest one to computer programming, and absolute precision is required, not a just-barely-good-enough statistical machine.

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How does failing to get rid of a traffic ticket ruin someone's life?

ChatGPT lies. It makes up facts, sources, and nonsense arguments. Lying to a judge is generally not a good idea. You can go from traffic ticket to contempt of court real fast if you start lying in court. ChatGPT also assumes you're speaking the truth. If you ask it about a topic and say "that's wrong, the actual facts are..." then it'll change argumentation to support your position. You probably don't want your legal…

Yeah, but notebooks are allowed in court and you could spill water on your notebook and confuse an 8 for a 0 and then read it out to court and it would be a lie.

Lying to judges is bad, so notebooks should be banned. Likewise, anything typed should be banned because we could have hit the wrong key, causing you to lie to the judge.

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