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Do what you'd have to do if this were say a medical device: hire a retired judge or two and set up double-blind fake trials with AI or human representation. Prove it works, then try it with real people.
I don't see the problem as long as the actual lawyer can intervene when necessary. If ChatGPT did something wrong, that lawyer would still be on the hook for deciding to continue using this tool so responsibility/liability/authenticity is not a problem. I get that they want to make some kind of subscription service to replace lawyers with AI (a terribly dystopian idea in my opinion, as only the rich would then have a…
> a terribly dystopian idea in my opinion, as only the rich would then have access to actual lawyers The rich don't go to jail already. The crypto scammer paid a huge bail and got out on his private jet. That, to me, is far more dystopian than a cheap tool to help people appeal traffic tickets.
It is dishonest to conflate "not being sentenced yet" with "got out".
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Real lawyers can do these things too. The issue is that we cannot punish or disbar ChatGPT for misbehavior like this.
They are the same issue. Obviously lawyers are physically capable of lying, but they have strong incentives not to.
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You're conflating a few different things. Being able to pay bail so you don't have to be in jail while you wait for your trial doesn't get you out of having a trial, and has nothing to do with needing lawyers. What the parent was referring to is the fact that if AI starts to consume the low-end (starting with traffic tickets), actual lawyers for trials will become even more expensive, and thus poorer people will actu…
It seems to me you're the only one conflating things? Grandparent didn't say anything about getting out of having a trial, or about needing lawyers. They're talking about how people with money can use it to avoid spending time in jail, and gave a perfectly valid example of someone rich doing exactly that.
The outrage there is bails being set to unaffordable sizes for poor people. OP was picking out the case where bail functioned as intended.
I don't like that they're testing this out live. Do what you'd have to do if this were say a medical device: hire a retired judge or two and set up double-blind fake trials with AI or human representation. Prove it works, then try it with real people.
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> I always found lawyers to be interesting… they are not responsible for you. They help guide you and argue for your case. But if they mess up, that doesn’t send them to jail. You can fire them or report them. But that’s it. You’re still screwed. A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either.
> A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either. She can be sued and lose her license.
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This isn't quite true. You can only sue for negligence if you can prove you were going to win without the negligence. And it will cost you ten thousand dollars just to begin the process. So if there's any doubt that you're going to win - any at all - your own $600/hr lawyer can flat out fuck you over. And there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it.
> You can only sue for negligence if you can prove you were going to win without the negligence. And it will cost you ten thousand dollars just to begin the process. That's not true. For instance, missing a filing deadline is considered professional negligence, regardless of the strength of the case.
However, there seems to still be the caveat that missing that deadline needs to have "caused you harm" - which entails proving that you would have won your case otherwise, no?
Hint: Akula is a nato reporting name. Nobody calls them the shark class of subs, even russians attach that name to a very different class.
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> I always found lawyers to be interesting… they are not responsible for you. They help guide you and argue for your case. But if they mess up, that doesn’t send them to jail. You can fire them or report them. But that’s it. You’re still screwed. A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either.
> A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either. She can be sued and lose her license.
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