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Re: Tell HN: Whole Yandex Git repository leaked

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Notably Yandex.Search, Yandex.Maps, Yandex.Disk (like Google Drive), Yandex.Mail, Yandex.Alice (voice assistant), Yandex.Taxi (like Uber), Yandex.Delivery (like Postmates), Yandex.Drive (like ZipCar), Yandex.Robot (idk, prob advanced AGI from the future), Yandex.Pay (like Google Pay), Yandex.Docs (like Google Docs/Sheets) all source codes leaked.

Yandex.Robot is probably a food delivery robot.

Probably it's just a search bot like Googlebot.

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> any author would be idiotic to read stolen source code and then decide to create a OSS library/project based on what they learn from it. What? Why? Isn't this what software developers do — they read a lot of code; they find ideas they like; they mix them together with their own ideas while building something. Isn't this how learning works in general?

> What? Why? Isn't this what software developers do — they read a lot of code; they find ideas they like; they mix them together with their own ideas while building something. Not normally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here#In_computing More to the point: an organisation will usually use cleanroom techniques to clone something like this, if they choose to do so. Anyone who's been in contact with the ori…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design

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Their Street View product is also very good, however their coverage is mostly for ex Soviet Union countries

heh, I remember looking up some satellite maps of French prisons on Google maps. They were blurred!!!! https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Centre+P%C3%A9nitentiaire+d... A quick trip over to Yandex, and there they were in their full glory: https://yandex.com/maps/10502/paris/?l=sat&ll=2.340173%2C48....

Probably because of legal compliance than technical reasons

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Its good for privacy if you don't live in Russia... I don't think that they share the data with US governments?

I tend to think that it's not the govs tracking us that we should care about but the big tech. Yandex is one of them.

Then the governments requesting from the big tech your infos (and getting them). Same thing in the end.

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heh, I remember looking up some satellite maps of French prisons on Google maps. They were blurred!!!! https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Centre+P%C3%A9nitentiaire+d... A quick trip over to Yandex, and there they were in their full glory: https://yandex.com/maps/10502/paris/?l=sat&ll=2.340173%2C48....

It's funny when countries fuzz up their google maps images of military bases, or oil companies, or whatever. The US military clearly thinks doing that is a joke: you can zoom in on area 51 and look at parked aircraft.

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Yandex might be the most popular search engine in Russia, but also they're by far the most popular logistics company for private people here. They do deliveries (food, groceries, other goods), taxis, moving vans and so on - all strongly Yandex branded. If you walk around the streets of Russia's big cities, their brand is absolutely omnipresent (and also in some former Soviet countries, like Armenia). Eating into thei…

Part of me is seeing someone with GPT prompt asking for a 'rewrite'. We truly live in interesting times. For the record, I don't disagree with you on the licensing/copyright front.

I think a “clean room” reimplementation should be doable here. I. e. one person writes the specs based on the code, another one writes the code back from the specs.

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I wonder if that's a function of their technology or their database. Google's image search used to be good, but regulations have forced them to cripple it in some ways, and they might have chosen not to surface results in some contexts.

It's not regulation. Google just has chosen to cripple it, the same way Twitter and Facebook mostly chose to censor certain viewpoints. All of these groups thing they are doing good.

That's part of the reason but it's likely also due to what user ogurechny explained. Most consumers have no idea about the true capabilities of their databases and it would scare them if they understood. Take facial recognition as an example. Also a non-crippled reverse image search would be the perfect stalking tool. Simply a lot of ways they could bring lawsuits and regulation on themselves so they tone it down just enough to not lose their search engine hegemony.

Re: Tell HN: Whole Yandex Git repository leaked

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> any author would be idiotic to read stolen source code and then decide to create a OSS library/project based on what they learn from it. What? Why? Isn't this what software developers do — they read a lot of code; they find ideas they like; they mix them together with their own ideas while building something. Isn't this how learning works in general?

> What? Why? Isn't this what software developers do — they read a lot of code; they find ideas they like; they mix them together with their own ideas while building something. Not normally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here#In_computing More to the point: an organisation will usually use cleanroom techniques to clone something like this, if they choose to do so. Anyone who's been in contact with the ori…

Worthy to note that the "clean-room" doctrine is not required and even discouraged legally, in favor of more direct source code reading and idea extraction (See Sega v. Accolade and Sony v. Connectix, in which the latter court commented on clean-room being inefficient and the kind of wasted effort that fair use was designed to prevent)

The whole point of the idea/expression dichotomy is that copyright doesn't protect ideas. To that end, extracting the uncopyrightable elements out of copyrightable code is more than legal and court-endorsed. Wine's approach just makes me sad, lots of wasted effort on black-box testing where a disssembly of the real code would be legally in the clear and allow it to advance at much better speeds.

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