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Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by marginalia_nu »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #56
marginalia_nu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it matters.

I updated my post with a few questions to clarify your stance. The point of the question is to ask whether you think this has 100% chance of not causing issues. The next step of course would then be to say, okay if it isn't 100% safe then do you support Mexico's right to say, "hey this could cause us or the world harm, stop it".

It may cause issues, it may not. It's so hard to know, we may not even know even if they do carry out these types of experiments.

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by ajju »

“ The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines released *thousands of tons of sulfur dioxide* into the stratosphere, temporarily lowering average global temperatures by about 1 degree Fahrenheit, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.”

“ Make Sunsets was planning to…release anywhere between 10 and 500 grams of sulfur dioxide in January”

I hope it doesn’t take years for someone to test the theory with a few tens of grams of this substance unless even that amount can cause harm.

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by TylerE »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #56
marginalia_nu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it matters.

I updated my post with a few questions to clarify your stance. The point of the question is to ask whether you think this has 100% chance of not causing issues. The next step of course would then be to say, okay if it isn't 100% safe then do you support Mexico's right to say, "hey this could cause us or the world harm, stop it".

I think what he means is that Mexico would be just as effected if they did in the ocean, or in India or wherever.

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by dr_dshiv »

hef19898 wrote: post #34
dr_dshiv wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why not allow research?

Make Sunsets isn't doing research, they are driving hype in order to sell "cooling credits" to everyday folks on the internet. Or why would you be able to pay for those "credits" using a credit card? This whole thing is more scam than anything else.

But isn’t research now banned in Mexico?

I know of academic groups fighting to ban research in this area.

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by jimnotgym »

car wrote: post #30
kube-system wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Ton” itself can also refer two different units: The 2240 lb British long ton and the 2000 lb American short ton. And “metric ton” refers to “tonne”. Tl;dr: a ton of confusion.

Funny, as "Tonne" is the german word for barrel or cask. And also for a metric ton, equaling 1000 kilograms, or 2000 german "Pfund", i.e. pounds.

So an American short ton and a German metric tonne are both 2000 pounds....but the pounds are not the same!

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by MrOwnPut »

TylerE wrote: post #63
MrOwnPut wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I updated my post with a few questions to clarify your stance. The point of the question is to ask whether you think this has 100% chance of not causing issues. The next step of course would then be to say, okay if it isn't 100% safe then do you support Mexico's right to say, "hey this could cause us or the world harm, stop it".

I think what he means is that Mexico would be just as effected if they did in the ocean, or in India or wherever.

I'm aware. But if it did cause issues it would concentrate in Mexico and dissipate globally.

But what I'm asking them is.. do they believe it's in Mexico's right to ask a person to stop experimenting on the atmosphere (global or otherwise) from their country.

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

perihelions wrote: post #18
junofan wrote: post #3

> The opposition to these climatic manipulations is based on the fact that there are currently no international agreements that address or supervise solar geoengineering activities, which represent an economically advantageous way out for a minority and risky for the supposed remediation of climate change. > We agree that there are no alternative technologies that replace the need to reduce emissions to remediate cli…

It's a symptom of the Great Stagnation. There's a clear crisis with multiple plausible solutions, yet somehow all of humanity has made ~zero progress (on the geoengineering front) for decades. Never mind that the world's wealthier and more democratic than ever; or that information has never been more accessible to anyone who looks for it; or that technology and engineering are at their highest point in the history of…

Who benefits from non-responsibility? Why are we not capable to produce figures capable to shoulder public burdens and are thrustworthy enough?

Why do we prioritize moral shortcomings of a person/character over the effectiveness of the work when discussing politics?

Whore, drink and murder all night for all i care, if the individual can prevent ecologic collapse and economic collapse during the day, thats still a good deal, even if i would be among the murder victims.

If the discourse around problems is so slanted towards "unimportant" topics, who can we remove from the discourse culturewise to refocus it? Can we build a social platform that punishes distractions from importance and reward contributions, according too global prioritys? A synthetic algorithmic clutch, focusing human attention away from the gossip..

Imagine a politics, without the person, only there legal actions being reviewed and percieved. Could been even annonymized as just a Nr.

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by MrOwnPut »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #61
MrOwnPut wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I updated my post with a few questions to clarify your stance. The point of the question is to ask whether you think this has 100% chance of not causing issues. The next step of course would then be to say, okay if it isn't 100% safe then do you support Mexico's right to say, "hey this could cause us or the world harm, stop it".

It may cause issues, it may not. It's so hard to know, we may not even know even if they do carry out these types of experiments.

Okay, so we're at the next step. Do you support Mexico's decision to stop experiments on the atmosphere that may cause issues?

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by schiffern »

seri4l wrote: post #49
cgeier wrote: post #39

I believe (at least) research in solar geoengineering is urgently needed. No, this is not a long-term replacement for bringing down carbon emissions (not least, because carbon also acidifies our oceans), but if you look at the horrible effects climate change is already causing now, imagine how a world will with average temperature raised by 1.5° or 2.0° Celsius.

Since our society is unable to perform any activity without descending into an uncontrolled positive feedback cycle, I would rather none of us work towards cooling the Earth.

Do you also apply this fatal (and fatalistic) attitude toward efforts to cool the Earth by cutting emissions?

Re: Mexico cracks down on solar geoengineering

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Post by kortilla »

wolverine876 wrote: post #31
perihelions wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a symptom of the Great Stagnation. There's a clear crisis with multiple plausible solutions, yet somehow all of humanity has made ~zero progress (on the geoengineering front) for decades. Never mind that the world's wealthier and more democratic than ever; or that information has never been more accessible to anyone who looks for it; or that technology and engineering are at their highest point in the history of…

It's a symptom of the US Republican Party. They are the only thing standing in the way. Don't take it for granted and give them an out; that's how they can keep doing it. Look at the aggressive obstruction - taking action against businesses (remember the party of the free market and business?) who do anything about climate change, even Microsoft for giving Xboxes a sleep mode. That's the problem. If you blame somethi…

Because we all know how the US Republican Party is in control of China, India, Russia, and the whole European Union.
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