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The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by s3p »

>What I learned is that Apple does not produce an RSS feed for podcasts that they host. That’s right: if you host your show with Apple, the only listeners you can have are folks with the Apple Podcasts app. This feels like an absolutely wild choice from a product perspective; it’s the mindset of a company who still thinks that they have dominance over the podcasting world. It’s ludicrous to assume that it’s a good thing for listeners to have to have specific hardware in order to listen to a podcast.

Spotify is doing the same thing and has been for years. Nobody seemed to care about it then?

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by MBCook »

Nullabillity wrote: post #190
MBCook wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has controlled the podcast industry through the iTunes podcast directory since day one. They’ve been benevolent and haven’t cracked down on things. They let basically any podcast in for free. They let 3rd party clients use their directory for free. They ARE the podcast industry. And they’ve been open. I see this purely as a reaction to Spotify and Google and others trying to grab and control the industry with p…

So the charitable interpretation is that they're trying to compete with Spotify's walled garden, by... doing the same thing themselves? This also doesn't help them compete with Spotify anyway, since they use their own directory and hosting system. The only ones hurt here are third-party clients and end users. The ones you think they're trying to "protect".

If a podcast was only ever going to be available to people who paid, it means people using the Apple podcast app might still be able to get it if they can prevent an exclusivity deal.

If a podcast was available both free and paid, it will still be available for free. And maybe the paid option isn’t exclusive.

In either case, Spotify (or whoever) might not be stealing users and market share they could use to force things in their favor further.

I’m not arguing this is good. I don’t like the trend of “you can only listen to it in $APP”, and I would agree with some others those shouldn’t be called podcasts.

I’m just saying Apple isn’t starting the fight, they’re trying not to be caught flat-footed by all the others who were.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by MBCook »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #167
tomxor wrote: post #102

> That’s right: if you host your show with Apple, the only listeners you can have are folks with the Apple Podcasts app. This feels like an absolutely wild choice from a product perspective; it’s the mindset of a company who still thinks that they have dominance over the podcasting world. It’s ludicrous to assume that it’s a good thing for listeners to have to have specific hardware in order to listen to a podcast. I…

> I get that Apple stuff is generally a nice experience and there is genuinely lots of cool technology, but people need to understand the future they are buying into with Apple. Can't speak for all Apple users, but the way a lot of my friends talk about their phones - it is crystal clear they think they're better than you if you don't have an iPhone. I imagine this subset of users would be glad that people without iP…

As someone who loves Apple stuff: what kind of people are you hanging out with?

I’ve never heard an adult I interact with express that. My Android using friends don’t care.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by hot_gril »

MBCook wrote: post #193
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I get that Apple stuff is generally a nice experience and there is genuinely lots of cool technology, but people need to understand the future they are buying into with Apple. Can't speak for all Apple users, but the way a lot of my friends talk about their phones - it is crystal clear they think they're better than you if you don't have an iPhone. I imagine this subset of users would be glad that people without iP…

As someone who loves Apple stuff: what kind of people are you hanging out with? I’ve never heard an adult I interact with express that. My Android using friends don’t care.

There are people who get iPhones just for iMessage. They don't want to be the one person who puts the entire group chat into "green bubble" mode. People accuse Apple of doing this intentionally, but you know, it's not their fault SMS is terrible; even Android users tend to use WhatsApp or something for group chats.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

#195

Post by CatWChainsaw »

tomxor wrote: post #102

> That’s right: if you host your show with Apple, the only listeners you can have are folks with the Apple Podcasts app. This feels like an absolutely wild choice from a product perspective; it’s the mindset of a company who still thinks that they have dominance over the podcasting world. It’s ludicrous to assume that it’s a good thing for listeners to have to have specific hardware in order to listen to a podcast. I…

The future is silos.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

#196

Post by mattbrewsbytes »

hot_gril wrote: post #184
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #182

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> if a point of sale terminal accepts Apple Pay and where to hold your device It's pretty obvious, it says "tap to pay" and has the logo on it?

Some of these terminals are oddly designed. Often the screen says "tap to pay," but you tap something above it that's not clearly marked, not the screen. Enough of the others have you tap the screen that you think it's that. Or a part says "Apple Pay," but that's just advertising the feature, and there's some unmarked area to tap. But even for the ones that are decent, idk why I'd not just use my credit card.

Maybe my gripe is a few years old before chip cards became prevalent here in US. You get my point, the lowest common denominator is a card so if my phone isn’t going to work for whatever reason and I have to dig out my card, I’d prefer to just dig out my card. The only time I use Apple Pay is on the phone in their app store, otherwise it’s just irrelevant.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by MBCook »

hot_gril wrote: post #194
MBCook wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who loves Apple stuff: what kind of people are you hanging out with? I’ve never heard an adult I interact with express that. My Android using friends don’t care.

There are people who get iPhones just for iMessage. They don't want to be the one person who puts the entire group chat into "green bubble" mode. People accuse Apple of doing this intentionally, but you know, it's not their fault SMS is terrible; even Android users tend to use WhatsApp or something for group chats.

So I totally understand that. But does that rise to the level of “I’m a better person than you”?

I guess I haven’t heard it put that way.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

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Post by hot_gril »

So Apple is offering a podcast hosting service, but it uses some proprietary thing instead of RSS and DRM's the audio so other podcast clients can't play them, and the podcast owner can't easily switch to a different podcast host (including one that this post's author runs). It doesn't tell the podcast owner that. I have never used a podcast, so is this all correct?

If so, I agree this is a deliberately snaky move on Apple's part.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

#199

Post by ouid »

tomxor wrote: post #102

> That’s right: if you host your show with Apple, the only listeners you can have are folks with the Apple Podcasts app. This feels like an absolutely wild choice from a product perspective; it’s the mindset of a company who still thinks that they have dominance over the podcasting world. It’s ludicrous to assume that it’s a good thing for listeners to have to have specific hardware in order to listen to a podcast. I…

I imagine most people believe that legislation will step in in the case that it becomes too uncomfortable for them, as consumers.

It turns out that if you put a from in water and raise the termperature slowly, they jump out exactly when they can no longer maintain homeostasis. Not everything can be manipulated by making change slow enough. Sometimes there are bifurcations.

Re: The audacity of Apple Podcasts

#200

Post by hot_gril »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #196
hot_gril wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of these terminals are oddly designed. Often the screen says "tap to pay," but you tap something above it that's not clearly marked, not the screen. Enough of the others have you tap the screen that you think it's that. Or a part says "Apple Pay," but that's just advertising the feature, and there's some unmarked area to tap. But even for the ones that are decent, idk why I'd not just use my credit card.

Maybe my gripe is a few years old before chip cards became prevalent here in US. You get my point, the lowest common denominator is a card so if my phone isn’t going to work for whatever reason and I have to dig out my card, I’d prefer to just dig out my card. The only time I use Apple Pay is on the phone in their app store, otherwise it’s just irrelevant.

Yeah I never use Apple Pay, it's useless
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