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Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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As an aside, I wonder when llm’s will be weaponized against authoritarian (China, etc) human censors, as they could be totally overwhelmed with content generation and be forced to censor all internet traffic…

Authoritarian governments could do the same to drown out opposing views

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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As an aside, I wonder when llm’s will be weaponized against authoritarian (China, etc) human censors, as they could be totally overwhelmed with content generation and be forced to censor all internet traffic…

Don't worry those governments will probably do the opposite (making LLMs to filter those). The whole policy of making these systems behind an API is the fact that we can't deploy these AI systems safely so that they can be misused.

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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As an aside, I wonder when llm’s will be weaponized against authoritarian (China, etc) human censors, as they could be totally overwhelmed with content generation and be forced to censor all internet traffic…

wrong way around. Authoritarian regimes these days don't censor as much as they put out surplus of information to destabilize any sort of meaning in public discourse. As such these generative tools will be one of the best weapons to counter any narrative that human actors can put up.

The idea that censorship is a weapon of authority is a pre information age idea when signal-to-noise was high.

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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To put this in perspective: the outage was 52 min. The total number of employees OpenAI have are 375. The launch date was just some months ago. At Google, the Cloud SQL dashboard was unavailable for around 12 hours a couple of weeks ago if I read this correctly: https://status.cloud.google.com/incidents/xg2qrL1UuSJiPDZALJ... The total number of employees of Google are 156 500. Google Cloud was launched 2008. So when…

That's a completely bizarre comparison. No number of Android developers will lead to higher availability of Cloud SQL observability. The gross number of employees at an org is meaningless.

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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This is precisely why they should really open source their model so that anyone can download and run it on their own infrastructure. Just like google or others have done and one is free to run it on their own laptop (some even without a GPU) , on premise or on any cloud provider infrastructure. They can continue to provide a hosted service for their model but they should allow it to be downloaded just like BERT.

Open AI's CEO Sam Altman's take is that they will only ever allow API access to their models to avoid misuse. I don't get HN's take with wanting everything open sourced. Some things are expensive to create and dangerous in the wrong hands. Not everything can and should be open sourced.

Isn't an open source ChatGPT inevitable? There's already open source AI art.

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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As an aside, I wonder when llm’s will be weaponized against authoritarian (China, etc) human censors, as they could be totally overwhelmed with content generation and be forced to censor all internet traffic…

This is the same sort of handwavy stuff "AI Ethicists" were warning Google SERPs, Reddit, Stack Overflow, etc will quickly become overwhelmed if we dare let GPT into the wild. In reality we have existing reputation systems that AI generated text alone can't reproduce.

Spam sites are still spam sites. The only exception are sites like CNET co-opting the tools to seed AI in combination with their own real bloggers (saying 'journalist' would be a stretch here).

These still require reputable people/business to be behind them directly to give credibility, people that can be blacklisted. It's not like turning an AI bot loose and instantly you have 1000x fake Twitter accounts with 100k followers and top ranked on Google.

The "long tail" of spam sites do not threaten governments.

China cares most about reputable news sites and popular social media influencers going viral with taboo stories. I'm skeptical news sites or influencers can be generated artificially merely using AI, in a way that is scalable enough to actually be a problem for censors. Ultimately the censors just need to ban the source... the domains or accounts with 20-100k+ followers or news sites with actual reach (ultimately a small set of sources). Fake AI content doesn't directly solve the existing reputation signals.

The more I think about it the less I'm convinced this is a real threat to the general reputation networks.

That said - where this does matter is the typical grey/black market where scams already operate. Not in highly public reputable places like the top rankings on Google or Twitter or w/e popular Chinese social network. It's the hackers exploiting email lists, Indian call centers running combination IM/phone scams, etc. It's the low-end of the market for criminal get-rich-quick schemes, not something that generates popular movements that threaten governments or popular political ideologies.

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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This is precisely why they should really open source their model so that anyone can download and run it on their own infrastructure. Just like google or others have done and one is free to run it on their own laptop (some even without a GPU) , on premise or on any cloud provider infrastructure. They can continue to provide a hosted service for their model but they should allow it to be downloaded just like BERT.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to run GPT3 and the subsequent finetuned versions thereof myself, but OpenAI has essentially no financial incentive to do so. A few years ago, we could maybe lean on their open aspirations to get that done, but with the "limited profitibility model" they've since instead adopted, I think that dream is mostly gone. At least we still get the occasional treat like Whisper out of t…

It's not as if anyone could afford to self-host the giant GPT-3 model anyway.

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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As an aside, I wonder when llm’s will be weaponized against authoritarian (China, etc) human censors, as they could be totally overwhelmed with content generation and be forced to censor all internet traffic…

or they could be used to censor all content too by doing simple classification

Re: OpenAI Status: Multiple engines are down

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The have first-class platform and systems engineers. Do you think one of the most desireable and well funded software shops in the world wouldn’t be able to get skilled engineers?

If they're that well funded, skilled engineers are more likely to be the bottleneck than compute availability.

Serving a request to one of their APIs requires orders of magnitude more compute than your typical web service
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