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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by rubslopes »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295
weeksie wrote: post #249

A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you ar…

> A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. Much of children's best-selling fiction is extremely derivative. The way the market works, it's nearly impossible to get things published that aren't extremely derivative. To the extent that, I think this might actually be a good place to start - with auto-generated derivative garbage - and t…

The theme park idea was actually part of the prompt. They show it in the credits

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Post by MrOwnPut »

yamtaddle wrote: post #365
MrOwnPut wrote: post #362

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Kids are like sponges, and pretty much like training an AI. Trash in, trash out. Just because there is a bunch of trash on Netflix and elsewhere doesn't mean we should pollute the kid's world more with it. Especially at the age of reading. 1-5 is the most important age by far...

Oh, I'm not claiming that content's good for them, I'm reinforcing the notion that it won't be kids who reject crappy AI stories on account of their being crappy. Adults might—and should, if the stories are indeed crappy. Kids will binge content that's truly already on par with or worse than what current AI can accomplish, if you let them.

Ah, yes I do agree with that.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

eraserj wrote: post #105

In the coming years, the human values taught in these AI children books will be picked by an AI to fix the most pressing current and foreseen issues in society (eg. individualism, environmentalism). In the following decades, parents might be less relevant in children education, sometimes even harmful.

Phones are practically parents already and that's going so great.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

whateveracct wrote: post #112
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #109

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GPT-3 is great at giving generic advice, true. But that aside, it surprises me how uncritical HN seems to be when it comes to children's books. Sure, they may look simple at first glance but a lot of thought and work goes into good children's books and likewise children can get a lot out of them if they're done right. It's not that the story necessarily has to have a moral, though many do. It's that they're funny and…

AI art was born from VC technologists' disrespect for art. It's not surprising they don't respect children's book writing as an actual skill. Just a cost center to be automated. This coming from a group who by and large probably hasn't written creatively in their entire lives.

The slush piles will turn into slush planets once this kind of farce becomes a full-fledged fad.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

pixl97 wrote: post #307
adamauckland wrote: post #161

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Morality aside, an artist who entirely copies someone else's work would be looked down upon because they are not original or creating anything novel or new.

So scribes were looked down upon in the middle ages for making copies of books before the printing press? I think in the tech industry we get caught up on 'novel' and 'new' because duplication is cheap to the point of almost free.

Scribes were not authors. They were expected to copy. Bad faith.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

the_af wrote: post #354
yamtaddle wrote: post #348

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I'm starting to worry that we're going to run pretty short of activities humans find fulfilling to do, that have any notable amount of extrinsic reward or value. What happens when the computer does tell better stories to your kids than you do? When you turn the computer loose on them for a week and, well, god damn , by the end of the week they seem to have taken exactly the lessons they needed and are bringing them u…

Everything you mentioned worries me. > What happens when the computer does tell better stories to your kids than you do? Others have answered "but ChatGPT will never get as good at this". Let's, for the sake of argument, suppose that it does: suppose ChatGPT does get better. What then? Why is it a net win for mankind that a computer program can tell better (or "good enough") stories? If mechanical tasks get done by m…

Mass existential crisis, despair, I wouldn't be surprised if in the 2030s mass, um, self-terminating events become widespread.

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Post by krapp »

the_af wrote: post #354
yamtaddle wrote: post #348

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I'm starting to worry that we're going to run pretty short of activities humans find fulfilling to do, that have any notable amount of extrinsic reward or value. What happens when the computer does tell better stories to your kids than you do? When you turn the computer loose on them for a week and, well, god damn , by the end of the week they seem to have taken exactly the lessons they needed and are bringing them u…

Everything you mentioned worries me. > What happens when the computer does tell better stories to your kids than you do? Others have answered "but ChatGPT will never get as good at this". Let's, for the sake of argument, suppose that it does: suppose ChatGPT does get better. What then? Why is it a net win for mankind that a computer program can tell better (or "good enough") stories? If mechanical tasks get done by m…

>..what's left for us, then?

Consuming the culture manufactured by the autonomous corporations that generate our reality so the capitalist class can afford their orbital pleasure domes and stem-cell purees.

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Post by the_af »

krapp wrote: post #387
the_af wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you mentioned worries me. > What happens when the computer does tell better stories to your kids than you do? Others have answered "but ChatGPT will never get as good at this". Let's, for the sake of argument, suppose that it does: suppose ChatGPT does get better. What then? Why is it a net win for mankind that a computer program can tell better (or "good enough") stories? If mechanical tasks get done by m…

>..what's left for us, then? Consuming the culture manufactured by the autonomous corporations that generate our reality so the capitalist class can afford their orbital pleasure domes and stem-cell purees.

I was thinking something like it, only a bit less scifi: we become consumers.

Not like today, but worse: exclusively consumers of stuff automated processes produce. We won't create anymore; at best it'll be "computer, entertain me!". I really don't like that future.

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Post by throwaway675309 »

driscoll42 wrote: post #206
theden wrote: post #194

I also ain't a big fan of the idea, a few thoughts * (Currently) Most AI generated images have an aesthetic to them, so it's easy to spot sometimes. Typically low-res, smeared details, bad hands/body horror. This may improve over time, but I don't know how I'd feel ethically (both morally and in work/effort) leaning so hard on AI. * For me at least, as soon as I learn something creative is completely (or mostly) AI g…

Really? This may be AI generated to an extent, but it's also showing that the author and friends worked together and put together a labor of fun and love for a pair of friends. That'll have more meaning to that family than a random kid's book.

Yes... but in that case the value is in the labor, except that they didn't really do any labor, as both the story and pictures were generated by AI.

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Post by throwaway675309 »

teolandon wrote: post #258
AvAn12 wrote: post #240

It's almost like the "I" should be in quotes. Because if anyone else in the world gave ChatGPT the same prompts, they would get more-or-less the same story. (visual generative AI is different). I think this makes things like college essay generation less scary. If two students prompt ChatGPT with "write a personal statement for the common application for college" or whatever, ChatGPT will more-or-less produce the sam…

You could say the same about a person performing a piano piece. Anyone who presses the same keys in the same sequence would get more-or-less the same performance.

An absurd analogy by somebody who obviously doesn't play the piano.

To get to that point, one has to spend a painstaking amount of time perfecting their craft and improving their virtuosity on the instrument, not to mention that everyone adds in their own interpretation and dynamics to a piece.

I can sit down on my Kawai and rattle off the maple leaf rag by Scott Joplin without too much issue, i'm happy to hand John Q. Public the sheet music, but there ain't no way they're playing it.

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